Steve vs Linus, round 2

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Director: Louis. Be objective, keep it clean and make a balanced argument.
Louis: Sure thing.
Louis * is professional for 10 minutes*
Director: This is good, you're making your point. Audience is on your side! Remember ...
Louis: "Be objective, keep it clean, make a balanced argument"
Director: *nods approvingly*
Louis: This mother******* co******** Linus is a ******* **** and let me explain why in more detail for the next 50 minutes.
Director: *mops brow*
 
Tbh I found the whole Honey thing hilarious. Content Creators have been pushing crap on their viewers for years (Established Titles, FUME, Air Up!, NZXT PC rental, RAID Shadow Legends, Raycons, BetterHelp, AG1, Manscaped etc) now finally a company comes along and develops a product that gets shilled by ever penny scraping Youtuber they could sign which ultimately flips the script and rips of the content creator who's shoveling down our necks for a change.
 
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It's all just this isn't it
 
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[FnG]magnolia said:
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Director: Louis. Be objective, keep it clean and make a balanced argument.
Louis: Sure thing.
Louis * is professional for 10 minutes*
Director: This is good, you're making your point. Audience is on your side! Remember ...
Louis: "Be objective, keep it clean, make a balanced argument"
Director: *nods approvingly*
Louis: This mother******* co******** Linus is a ******* **** and let me explain why in more detail for the next 50 minutes.
Director: *mops brow*
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Just finished watching the video and holy shaaat, Rossman really tore Linus a new hole, Linus will be crying himself to sleep for the next week, apparently he already had a massive cry on todays wan show
 
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Grim5 said:
Just finished watching the video and holy shaaat, Rossman really tore Linus a new hole, Linus will be crying himself to sleep for the next week, apparently he already had a massive cry on todays wan show
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Cliff notes? Or is this another nothing burger that's an hour+ of personal attacks?
 
dlockers said:
Cliff notes? Or is this another nothing burger that's an hour+ of personal attacks?
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Linus gets properly called out by Louis, he has receipts and fully deserves it imo. He does have a couple of pops at Steve. I enjoy Louis videos, his repair videos were oddly satisfying to watch and he's bang on calling out manufactures screwing customers on right to repair.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Linus gets properly called out by Louis, he has receipts and fully deserves it imo. He does have a couple of pops at Steve. I enjoy Louis videos, his repair videos were oddly satisfying to watch and he's bang on calling out manufactures screwing customers on right to repair.
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No cliff notes then eh. I've read an AI summary and it sounds like more bandwagon type behaviour on Honey?
 
I have respect for what Rossman has campaigned for but he gives himself far more credit for the results than he is really responsible for.

I'm only 30 mins through the video and it is typical Rossman, complete rage bait, his had more than a few pops at Steve at this point also.

There is a certain amount of irony is that Rossman built his entire following playing the victim and rage baiting his audience to further causes which benefit is own commercial objectives (e.g. his repair business).

dlockers said:
No cliff notes then eh. I've read an AI summary and it sounds like more bandwagon type behaviour on Honey?
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Pretty much.

Edit: my comment above is more just to point out that everyone has skin in the game, no one is truly objective.
 
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Louis is defending his friend, so his take is a little slanted in that direction clearly but I think he makes perfectly valid criticism of both sides. Steve shouldn't be trying to hold himself to journalistic standards just because Linus thinks he should and Linus should grow up and stop the continued nonsense behaviour he's shown for the past few years.

On the whole though, I don't really care about any of these youtubers, but I value Steve and Louis's opinions on tech far more than I've ever valued Linus - who I'm convinced just plays a character most of the time.
 
Grim5 said:
Linus gets cooked again

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I haven't finished watching the video (i'm 8 mins 50 in) but his first argument makes no sense.

Because Linus took money from Honey and then later found out that honey was erasing his affiliate link Linus has a moral responsibility to talk about Honey's Data harversting? He says he has a resoponsibility to talk about them being a scam but at the time LTT didn't know they were scamming users, so what exactly should they have spoken about.

He complains about linus making false dichomoties and then did the exact same thing straight after making that complaint.


I'm now 14mins in and he seems annoyed that Linus didn't warn his audience that Honey was a Scam, even though Linus didn't know at the time.
At the 15min mark now it seems like hes annoyed that Linus didn't figure out that if they were screwing him over that they would probably have screwed the customers. 15 min 40 strawman.

If this is the indication of the quality of his video throughout then it is pretty bad.
 
To be fair, some of Louis points we were valid but he presents them in a way which are rage bait and manipulative - the exact thing which he is criticising Linus for.

He criticises Steve for changing his approach because of people being an smelly sphincter and but he himself comes across like a smelly sphincter because it is full of rage bait and is itself manipulative.

It makes it hard to take any of them seriously but then you never should - they are all there to make money from you at the end of the day.

Genuine question - why does Rossman use a head mounted microphone and also have another mounted to the desk on an arm which is seemly redundant?
 
At the start of the WAN show last night Linus gave an update of the situation with Steve (and now with Louis):

Warning: I got this by throwing the subtitles from the video into Copilot and asking it to format it into something readable, as such there may be spelling/grammatical errors.

Good evening, everyone.

My plan was to not discuss the whole situation any further right now. Like many of you, we wanted to keep this whole thing from dragging out, so we set our piece. Steve from Gamers Nexus wrote a manifesto that could probably be best summed up as "no, you," and then it was done—or so we thought. Shortly before, Lewis Rossman released an hour-long hit piece, and in a now deleted comment, Steve mentioned he had seen the video before it went live, making it clear that at the very least, he was involved in reviewing this video before publication.

When other creators reached out to us in support, we explicitly discouraged any escalation, while Steve seems to be doing the opposite. So, here we are, more or less forced to respond yet again, but we'll keep it much, much shorter this time. Steve asked me to direct any further communications about his ethical breach and persistent defamatory statements to his lawyer. As I clearly stated before, I don't have a lawyer involved and I don't want one involved. I wrote last week's address myself with feedback from my team, and this much shorter wrap-up will come from me as well.

The core issue has not been addressed at all. Because of ethical and process errors, Steve published false and damaging information about a competitor. Right of reply matters both because it is essential for accurate reporting and because scandal travels much faster and is a lot stickier in people's minds than the "oh oops, never mind" that comes out when the allegations are found to be false. There's actually a good thread on the subreddit that you guys can check out. That is not the visual for it, but that's fine. The point is that this is so much worse now.

Faced with the unavoidable fact that he got it wrong and caused a bunch of damage with his actions, Steve has outright refused to apologize, correct, or retract any of his false statements. That's next level, man. I am extremely grateful that so many of you are seeing how misrepresentative the original reporting was, both around the Billet Lab situation and around the Honey thing. I want to applaud the maturity of the many, many folks who have come out and said, "Hey, I'm sorry that I raised a pitchfork while I didn't have the full story."

I'm still deeply saddened by the virality of Steve's first video. Because of that, many will never hear the truth, a fact that is worsened by Steve's ongoing refusal to issue any corrections or retractions in spite of the fact that his reporting on me contains clear objective errors and misquotes. So, in summary, Steve's response shows that his standards for himself fall far short of the standards he holds others to. And look, dude, stealthily removing the word "journalism" from the GN Patreon changes nothing. This whole thing is getting, quite frankly, kind of pathetic.

Even my (and I quote) "terrible response" to the original hitpiece acknowledged issues on our side, laid out a path forward—which we have taken, I am so proud of our team—and it included words like "no excuses," "I need to own the mistakes," and "sorry." Steve's response contained no such introspection and no better path forward. His mask is now truly off for anyone who used to appreciate him for his ethics and objectivity. As it turns out, he only cares about those things when it's convenient.

On that note, just because somebody's running a masterclass in deflection and misdirection, that doesn't mean that absolutely everything they say is wrong. So the last thing I'm going to do today is what you guys rightly expect of me. I will meet my faults and my errors head-on. I'm sorry that I used unprofessional language, and if I ever said this (truthfully, I don't recall it), but if I did, I take that back 100%. I'm sorry, and I will work to do better.

So where do we go now? I don't know, guys. I see your calls to end the drama, but I can only control my side in this. My team and I have made corrections and retractions where needed, and we will continue to do so. There are a couple of fixes that we need for the 90 video—they're pinned under the video, and we're getting all of that sorted. Meanwhile, the other side is spitting on our olive branch, lawyering up, publicly attacking my credibility with no indication that it will end, and now seemingly colluding with other creators to smear me in public.

I don't want to play this stupid game anymore; there are only stupid prizes to be won. So, yeah, I think I've said enough for now. Obviously, I'm aware of Rossman's video—we alluded to it earlier—and I have some idea what it's about. In the lead-up, he was corresponding with me, but I don't think now's the time for that. Right now is the time to hang out with awesome people who matter, and that's you guys. Welcome to the W Show, everyone.
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The more people get involved in this the more childish it gets. I'm firmly in the I don't care camp. Kiss and make up, or don't. Talk about tech.
 
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