The majority of his viewers will be on reddit so it's fairly representative, and you'll find the same thing in the comments on his YouTube channel.
Steve vs Linus, round 2
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Whilst I'm not a fan of Linus (or anyone) I suspect Steve has the same problem that Piratesoftware has with a certain form of nerd masculinity and really doesn't want to back down before enough damage is done that backing down seems pointless.
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Summer this year. Ksi will be the referee
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Linus seems the sort who would side with Voldermort but Steve would definitely be against him, discuss
I didn't see this until today as you didn't quote me.
I am not going to defend LTT style of vides - they are made for entertainment but I don't think i've ever seen any 'general' views/results that are different from other tech channels? If you could point these out ie LTT says this is great and others say its bad?
Ok so you said LTT was in it for the money. Now it's well he didn't sell for $100 Million so he just wants more money? He would have been absolutely fine with that amount, for him, his family and his childrens future but now you want to say he just wants more? Where is your reasoning for this aside from being against LTT?
Sold himself out - please provide examples of products they have promoted that were terrible by other reviewers?
Again I watch LTT and GN. GN especially if I am planning to buy a product. LTT as I like the random cool tech they advertise but I haven't ever felt they are promoting something that is 'bad'. Even sponsored video's they advertise the products benefits and negatives unless I am wrong in this?
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Did you miss my point that it used to be a review channel and isn't any longer? It's literally the opposite now and why I no longer like the channel.. you can't even compare him to other channels for his 'view' on things because if he reviews anything it's just hyperbole after hyperbole etc.
I asked for reasons why he keeps growing it (which makes him more money incidentally) and you offered nothing, I did say narcissism as another option, because they go hand in hand.. many CEOs just want to be the best in their industry and part of that is the companies worth.. i.e. money.. clearly Linus feels he can keep growing it and making it a larger enterprise and for that he's completely gone away from his core principles he used to have.. there seems nothing positive about it.
As for selling himself out, Its not about advertising bad products, it's multiple things, mainly just how low he goes to keep the clicks going..
1.Pushing products to you with no actual consumer information at all these days..
Take a recent video "I Built The Ultimate Hidden Gaming Room" sponsored by origin PC.. weere as Jayz2cents used to partner with them and he go over the performance, unbox it, and give a mini review of that item.. In Linus video all we learn as a consumer is the list of parts in it and multiple times its 'sick'.. completely useless to a consumer..
In the past he'd have done a mini review, now it's very rare..
2. Putting out negative reviews totally contrary to the concensus - 7950X3D is a good example, he was late with the review, and completely botched it, making much lower numbers than everyone else and even did a follow up doubling down on why his review was legit.. the reality is he has a bunch of incompetent staff that purport to be experts but are far from it..
As I said at the end last time, my beef is exactly that he turned from a good review channel to a purely entertainment channel that sometimes purports to review things, and the acid test of that you admit yourself, we go elsewhere to get the real lowdown on a product before buying..
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I’m not at all surprised it’s focussed on entertainment and ‘look at this cool stuff’ because reviewing tech products is boring. It’s a mature sector with marginal gains in core performance from generation to generation. The only interesting part of the software side and how that is evolving rapidly.
The last numerous generations of major components have been the same as the previous generation but a bit faster and more expensive. You could literally write the review script from the SPEC sheet and the RRP before even getting your hands on the product.
Even stuff like CPU coolers, pretty much all the large tower style coolers have functionally the same performance. All Asustek based AIOs are functionally the same. Pretty much every model of say a 4070 graphics card is functionally the same.
Overclocking is basically dead for the mainstream at this point. Water cooling is just for the lols these days.
Edit: Take the Origin PC example above, they didn’t review it because:
A) it was sponsored by origin PC so they can’t.
B) it performs the same as any other PC build with those components.
So they took option C - tried to do something ‘cool’ or ‘interesting’ with it. You might not like that and that’s fine, you don’t need to watch it. Realistically you were not looking to buy an Origin PC anyway so it’s almost irrelevant that they didn’t review it for you.
The last numerous generations of major components have been the same as the previous generation but a bit faster and more expensive. You could literally write the review script from the SPEC sheet and the RRP before even getting your hands on the product.
Even stuff like CPU coolers, pretty much all the large tower style coolers have functionally the same performance. All Asustek based AIOs are functionally the same. Pretty much every model of say a 4070 graphics card is functionally the same.
Overclocking is basically dead for the mainstream at this point. Water cooling is just for the lols these days.
Edit: Take the Origin PC example above, they didn’t review it because:
A) it was sponsored by origin PC so they can’t.
B) it performs the same as any other PC build with those components.
So they took option C - tried to do something ‘cool’ or ‘interesting’ with it. You might not like that and that’s fine, you don’t need to watch it. Realistically you were not looking to buy an Origin PC anyway so it’s almost irrelevant that they didn’t review it for you.
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Review and sponsored content don’t belong in the same sentence. It’s an oxymoron.
Any Sponsored content is an advert. So the question is how do make people watch an advert.
This. There is no such thing as a sponsored review. It’s an infomercial.
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^^^ So much this these days. Just skipped through the 5090 reviews which all dropped around the same time ... and skipped was the appropriate term, as it quickly rounded out to the same similar formats and answers. Ultimately not really engaging, not really that entertaining either. Wow ... yet another slide of a bar chart .... woooooo.
Why does he have to be a review channel though? Just cause he started out that way he should continue that for ever more, and thats a reason to have a beef with him? No channel is perfect, but I do give them credit for having a bit of fun sometimes ... which be entertaining.
After the 1st GN swipe at LMG, I found myself falling on the LMG side of things personally ... though GN were out of order. 2nd time round, I think LMG were right to call out GN for it.
I am not honestly sure what you want or what your intention is. LTT has described itself as an entertainment channel.
I am not sure what type of review you were trying to get from a 'Hidden Gaming Room'?
Advertisers, sponsors etc are included in most videos but if you are not interested just skip them? They make up less than 10% of most videos and are needed to keep the quality up.
The 7950XD agument is irrelavant. There is a whole video about how LTT reached out AMD as their results were not matching what had been shown prior. They even reached out to AMD as they thought they had a bad chip. The fact that 3rd Party programs were needed to be downloaded to get the full potential completely diminishes the non-legit review problem. If you want the in's and out's go watch GN. But for the average user which LTT claims to be, take out CPU, insert new CPU and expect better performance is important and relevant. Extra steps required do not make a bad review or outake.
Your money over everything argument is just poor. He didn't sell for enough to fully separate and fund his family for generations because he is narcisstic? He has many times mentioned he likes what he does and wants to expand that getting more accurate etc with his LTT labs. This I do understand is a no win situation for you. He sells immediately, money grabber. He holds on to it and expand for accuracy (Test labs). He is a narcissit who wants to conquer the world? Or just expand his channel with more scientific results whilst also producing short format entertaining but understanable tech videos.
You don't need to like his videos or him personally. But he has been around for 10+ years and certainly people have become used to and enjoy his style of videos.
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Can't believe there isn't a Top Trumps poll for this, come on @mods.
- GN makes me hot in my downstairs
- LTT is WTFBBQOMGHOT
It's really simple, I've watched him since his NCIX days.. I've seen his entire journey from reviewer to entertainer, and seeing LTT Labs rise and his empire grow..
The crux is he's diluted himself with LTT Labs, Short Circuit, his main 'entertainment channel' .. Linus himself covers all his channels, I'm not interested in his entertainment part, if the reviews quality across his channels hadn't also suffered badly with his dilution..
I literally watched him half ass his EMC setup, his PSU testing setup and then we had a few wobbly results with his 'fully automated' scripting system which he did the odd update on to describe how he was going to improve it.. i.e. his review quality suffered and I stopped being able to rely on him for that.. You elude to the issue, he wants to improve the accuracy of LTT labs.. the problem is he went all in and half assed it in the first place, and whilst he can excuse it with 'we want to do better' the people that lose are consumers who have been subject to his wobbly results.
And part of that growth journey, aside from his dilution and growing pains has been the degree of sponsorships and his need to keep a lot of money coming in.. the warranty debacle really looked more like a mask off moment and showed the really seedier side of him, so anti consumer and then you start to add everything up and it was clear he wasn't the same person he used to be and that cashflow (i.e. money) was that important his ethics looked to be slipping.
We probably aren't too far on the general opinion here, I'm fine with his entertainment main channel, I just don't watch it, but I also now don't watch any reviews because I don't trust them anymore..
And this is why I joined the thread, when it comes to Honey and sponsorships, Linus has had a shaky journey, he's said many times he needs to keep the lights on etc, and with his warranty mask off moment, I really don't think anyone should trust him to be truthful..
Simple really, not a huge deal, I just unsubscribed many months ago and use better sources..
He doesn't, he used to be a general reviewer, then setup LTT Labs, saying it would be the pinnacle of testing and instead half assed it a bit to a point I can't trust the reviews.. he still does reviews today across his network..
As above, the issue is dilution, he's trying to do everything and in terms of the technical side just keeps dropping the ball too often on the review side, he'd be better off IMO dropping LTT labs, but he is passionate about it and I almost feel sorry for him because he's fallen a bit too short either through lack of focus or just employing numpties..
The big problem GN have these days is, some people are "glass half full" types, some people are "glass half empty" types. Steve from GN is a "glass appears mostly depleted, seems to be made out of low quality glass and the person who made it should really be euthanised" type.
Over the years this has worked well for him, he got over a million views roasting a cheap case that zero people outside of Asia would ever have bought. The problem is as time goes on his audience has grown and grown and they all come to see him roast something, if his video isn't super negative it's considered a bad video. And so he has gotten so used to making mountains out of molehills that he doesn't realise how silly it can often seem.
Which is where we get to today, where he is flaming Linus Sebastian because half a decade ago they had some videos sponsored by a voucher finding browser extension called Honey but then cut ties with them upon discovering it was replacing YouTubers affiliate links with it's own (something that had become common knowledge). Steve is saying Linus should have made a video about it to let the internet know it was happening, despite the internet being who told Linus it was happening and the fact that such a video would be guaranteed to perform badly (and thus hurt the channel).
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Jimmies = rustled