Steven Gerrard

nikebee · 20 Oct 2007 at 22:54

I'm just watching MOTD and this isn't the first time he's caught my attention... I surely cannot be the only person who really dislikes this man?

He's constantly berrating officials, looking for fouls and persuading referees to make disicions that go his teams way.

He does it for club and country, and it really cheeses me off.

I know he's not the only player to look for fouls, or talk to refs but he continually does it.

Against Villa, he ran into a player turned around and shouted at the ref... got the free kick and scored from it giving Liverpool a draw.

Today against Everton he went down in the box and got a penalty, which was 6 of one and half a dozen of the other... both players were sort of all over each other.

Yellow card comes out, Gerrard has a word and it turns from yellow to red.

His performances for Liverpool are always average, with the odd moments of good play or a brilliant long range shot or freekick... For England he's nearly always sub-par though...

Surely I can't be the only one who's noticed this or feels this way??

weringo · 20 Oct 2007 at 22:57

Captains should have a right to talk to the referee about decisions, the things that do **** me off however is when teams gang up and surround referees pressuring them into making decisions *cough*chelsea*cough*

cheets64 · 20 Oct 2007 at 22:58

Sorry but a lot of players do this, Roy Keane was terrible for it plus a lot of other United players, so do Aresnal, Chelsea, its part of football now.

GET THE REF

freshy · 20 Oct 2007 at 22:59

he is the product of being the fulcrum of a team that has a great support base. they have elevated him so he thinks and acts above the law. the way he acts is tied into his lack of discipline he displays in certain positions.

his diving is terrible and worse off he is an intelligent diver rather than a consistent diver (where it is almost reactionary)... when he dives he does it for the key decisions. liverpool fans always have blinkers on.

kitten_caboodle · 20 Oct 2007 at 23:00

yep. Suck it up tbh. He's by no means the most voracious or the most insistent. Just watch John Terry for proof.

Edit. Someone posted inbetween - I was agreeing with those above

Morba · 20 Oct 2007 at 23:00

the issue this afternoon was that the ref was pulling the yellow card out, which was clearly wrong. the defender was the last man, therefore should get a straight red.

weringo · 20 Oct 2007 at 23:07

Morba said:
the issue this afternoon was that the ref was pulling the yellow card out, which was clearly wrong. the defender was the last man, therefore should get a straight red.

Exactly, Gerrard didn't want the ref getting in trouble for a bad decision so helped him by pointing out it should be a red

nikebee · 20 Oct 2007 at 23:07

Morba said:
the issue this afternoon was that the ref was pulling the yellow card out, which was clearly wrong. the defender was the last man, therefore should get a straight red.

To be honest I'm not arguing that it was a red card... it clearly was he was the last man.

That ref in that game was terrible.

First challenge on Lescott was debateable... the last one was a stone wall penallty... Hansen described it best... assault.

The kung-fu kick looked damn near close to what Cantona did against that Palace fan years ago...

Either way... he was a good foot in the air, two footed challenge... should have been a red card.

I'm saying that Gerrard turning to the ref who had made his mind up saying it's yellow... puts his card away and changes to red after talking to Gerrard.

I think freshy said it best, he's an intelligent player... but he gets away with too much.

He goes down incredibly easily, looks for fouls and if he thinks it wont be given he plays on the ref and makes it go his way.

kitten_caboodle · 20 Oct 2007 at 23:10

He goes down incredibly easily, looks for fouls and if he thinks it wont be given he plays on the ref and makes it go his way.

.... and you're saying that other teams/players don't do this? What makes him so much worse than any other player out there?

Morba · 20 Oct 2007 at 23:10

it wasnt really talking was it, just gerrard walking towards him saying 'he was last man, thats red surely'.

much much worse goes on around refs these days.
cant argue on your other 2 points, kuyt should have gone and lescott was very unlucky to not get a pen.
also to be fair, carra was very lucky to be on at the end of the game, he was fired up a bit too much imo

wedgie · 20 Oct 2007 at 23:11

cheets64 said:
Sorry but a lot of players do this, Roy Keane was terrible for it plus a lot of other United players, so do Aresnal, Chelsea, its part of football now.

GET THE REF

What a surprise you come up with a United example, even if you did have to go back a few years to get it.

Can't say I've noticed anything abnormal with Gerrard. He looks out for his team, it's what all good captains do.

kitten_caboodle · 20 Oct 2007 at 23:16

I thought Carra was walking after we equalised tbh. He was really wound up for some reason, much more so than normal.

Morba · 20 Oct 2007 at 23:19

kitten_caboodle said:
I thought Carra was walking after we equalised tbh. He was really wound up for some reason, much more so than normal.

yeah, was quite shocking.

nikebee · 20 Oct 2007 at 23:20

kitten_caboodle said:
.... and you're saying that other teams/players don't do this? What makes him so much worse than any other player out there?

Not at all, I did say in my OP that he's not the only one in the world that does it... perhaps I just notice it more with Gerrard.

davestar_delux · 20 Oct 2007 at 23:23

Yep, Gerrard cheats, Terry cheats, Rooney cheats... but they will all be the first to slate foreigners for it when they lose in Europe.

I say accept it as part of the game lke the South Americans do or else it is up to the authorities at the highest level (if the FA do it, it just cripples your players going into Europe and International competition) to stop it including retroactively. Why would players stop it of their own accord when they can help their team by doing it?

Digital Punk · 20 Oct 2007 at 23:29

The thing I hate most about Gerrard is that he rarely performs well for England.

cheets64 · 20 Oct 2007 at 23:34

wedgie said:
What a surprise you come up with a United example, even if you did have to go back a few years to get it.

Can't say I've noticed anything abnormal with Gerrard. He looks out for his team, it's what all good captains do.

It was the only one I could find on google showing premiership players crowding a ref.

NokkonWud · 20 Oct 2007 at 23:34

Carragher, Neville, Terry, Joe Cole and Frank Lampard are all just as bad.

wedgie · 20 Oct 2007 at 23:36

cheets64 said:
It was the only one I could find on google showing premiership players crowding a ref.

Well it is probably the most famous example, I will give you that.

nikebee · 20 Oct 2007 at 23:40

Digital Punk said:
The thing I hate most about Gerrard is that he rarely performs well for England.

Exactly, another one of my points.

He never performs to his full potential for his country, why!?

He just seems over-rated at times.

As far as his tactics goes, I'm well aware he's not the only one who does it, but as I said maybe I just notice it more being a Utd fan and him being a Liverpool player *shrugs*