Still think circumcision is wrong?

I think you're taking this the wrong way El, we don't mean to say "NO, AFRICANS ARE WRONG!" we just mean that in our culture there simply isn't a need for it, and even if there is by the time they have grown to be threatened by HIV then they'll be able to make the choice themselves as adults.

Personally I think in a society that doesn't use condoms (for whatever reason) such as the one you're talking about then yes they should do whatever they can to prevent it, including circumcision.
 
Tombo said:
Well we aren't in Africa are we.

I have a foreskin and I don't have HIV or Aids, I'm a medical miracle!
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Yes we aint but then let's not be quick to dismiss what we might not truly understand. (have shown by plenty people so far)
 
Zefan said:
Personally I think in a society that doesn't use condoms (for whatever reason) such as the one you're talking about then yes they should do whatever they can to prevent it, including circumcision.
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Part of what i am saying and what people dont seem to wanna hear. (remember this aint my first thread on this issue)
 
ElRazur said:
Part of what i am saying and what people dont seem to wanna hear. (remember this aint my first thread on this issue)
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People haven't directly said that it's wrong to do it in a place where it's needed, when we generalise we generalise in the context of our own society and situation, not all of them.
 
ElRazur said:
And i replied by saying that allowing kids to make decision for such things later in life is not exactly an option from certain parent's perspective. As they time it would be done, (circumcision) the kid cant exactly make the decision other than the parent. Also, i know people who have got it done at a later stage in life (one was 24) and from what i see, i would have preffered he had it done as a kid and he even agreed.
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You replied with some rubbish about sweets, they are different things.

In this country, and most other developed countries a child will not be at risk from HIV so it is something the child should be allowed to decide when they are old enough. So what one person you know thinks it would have been better to have it done as a kid, their opinion might be different if they hadn't been given the choice.
 
Zefan said:
People haven't directly said that it's wrong to do it in a place where it's needed, when we generalise we generalise in the context of our own society and situation, not all of them.
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Maybe you hit the nail on the head there - when i read it i take it as they not wanting done or seeing it as cruel practice in relation to africa....if you catch what i mean.
 
ElRazur said:
So are you saying there isnt a rise in number of HIV and STDs in the UK? Are you saying we dont have a high transmisssion rates between homos and heteros?

If it was done for many advantages...why cant you look at that and see the bigger picture? Or are you saying, let us not take the forskin off and let them have a higher potential of catching HIV? Knowing fully well that condom is not popular over there in some instances...
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I'm saying AIDs in the western world is not a problem.

If African's want to be circumcised, I couldn't really care. The only reason why circumcision may be suitable for them is because nothing else is working, circumcision is the last option for them.

But for the western world, circumcision is not suitable for the general population.
 
Raikiri said:
You replied with some rubbish about sweets, they are different things.

In this country, and most other developed countries a child will not be at risk from HIV so it is something the child should be allowed to decide when they are old enough. So what one person you know thinks it would have been better to have it done as a kid, their opinion might be different if they hadn't been given the choice.
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I made an anology about how kids might not exactly make the right decision.....If only you wanna see what i meant.

See Zefan's post.
While some might not agree with it happening here people can at least let it go on in africa and see the reason as to why.
Yes it might not be needed here (for now) but with the rise in stds and hiv cases even though we have plenty of safe sex initiatives here...maybe introducing it here might not be a bad thing or do we wanna wait till when it is at african levels before we act? Just a thought.
 
ElRazur said:
Maybe you hit the nail on the head there - when i read it i take it as they not wanting done or seeing it as cruel practice in relation to africa....if you catch what i mean.
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I think a lot of this arguing is brewed up out of blind dismissal and confusion as to peoples actual views. A lot of posters seem very quick to say "no it's wrong" (even if they actually think it's fine in Africa) and to be honest you dismiss them in a way aswell at times. Everyone just has to listen to all the points properly and make sure things are worded right, so many threads could be saved if this happened.
 
Yes, kids do make bad decisions, that's why I have said they should be allowed to decide when they are old enough.

Different in Africa when it is a real risk, then in some cases depending on the risk they are at it should be done.

Zefan said:
I think a lot of this arguing is brewed up out of blind dismissal and confusion as to peoples actual views. A lot of posters seem very quick to say "no it's wrong" (even if they actually think it's fine in Africa).
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I am saying it is wrong if it isn't necessary, like amputating someone's leg to save their life would be acceptable but to just lop one off clearly wouldn't be :p I see very little difference in the two.
 
I had it done when i was 5/6 due to a nasty infection which took 9 weeks to clear up properly.

I personally don't think it should be mandatory, but if it's for medical reasons I see no reason why it should be denied.
 
As far as I am aware HIV in the UK is actually decreasing in the native population.

The real issue in my opinion is sharing, give everyone in the world a good education, a job when reaching adulthood, a reasonable standard of living, some self esteem etc, and perhaps HIV will decrease elsewhere.

I don't think circumcision is the answer, in another 20 years time, when Africa is still in poverty and HIV is still rampant we will just be resented for whizzing round Africa with the scissors.
 
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