Strange marks on IHS of new 8600k (from Ocuk)?

[hondo]

I don't see how fitting an heat-sink would make that much mess, it looks like it's been scrubbed against an abrasive surface to me.

My Alpenfohn Brocken Cooler is a direct drop on compression fit, I couldn't even spin the H/S round to distribute the thermal paste evenly, thus, from my POV those marks would have been impossible to make.

 

[trisp]

What shocks me is this clearly means oem stock are being binned.

I made a posted in big 8700k binned thread about the concerns of how they are reselling the 8700k and at guaranteed speeds and what that could mean they are doing, but in truth i wasnt sure what they could be doing and to find out what they could be possibly doing with all there stock is quite concerning

Just crazy as i now know not only do i need a refund but also that oem are not a safe chip to buy.

 

[SiDeards73]

I repeat... dont buy OEM chips people... this is what is becoming more and more common... buy the retail ones, even if your going to rip the IHS off and repaste it, either that or buy the prebinned OCUK ones. Its just too much of a lottery nowadays.

 

[Hagar]

Buy retail. OEM is cheaper for a reason :s

EDIT: That isn't to say you won't find good clockers in OEM or that as they leave Intel there isn't an equal chance compared to retail - but retail are boxed in packaging that can't be resealed so you know you have as good a chance as any other with OEM you take your chances.

OEM = original equipment manufacturer. Not sold, returned for resale. All parts should be pristine, ex factory and if necessary packaged individually for resale.

 

[On Holiday]

OEM = original equipment manufacturer. Not sold, returned for resale. All parts should be pristine, ex factory and if necessary packaged individually for resale.

Agree with this.

My statement on buying retail was purely so you can be 100% sure it's not been previously used since leaving the Intel factory.

 

[chippy08]

I repeat... dont buy OEM chips people... this is what is becoming more and more common... buy the retail ones, even if your going to rip the IHS off and repaste it, either that or buy the prebinned OCUK ones. Its just too much of a lottery nowadays.

Retail chips are Binned as well so you cant win.

 

[SiDeards73]

What shocks me is this clearly means oem stock are being binned.

I made a post about the concerns of how they are reselling the 8700k and at guaranteed speeds and what that could mean they are doing, but in truth i wasnt sure what they could be doing and to find out there are actually possibly doing it with all there stock

Just crazy as i now know not only do i need a refund but also that oem are not a safe chip to buy.

Of course the OEM stock is being binned and sold on... how else do you think they get pre binned chips? this is why you either a) buy a prebinned chip if you want a certain speed or b) buy retail and hope it clocks well... those OEM chips should supposedly go to the system builds that OCUK do, but its obvious they are in demand and selling so thats where they are going....

Its simple economics, if chip A can hit 5ghz and is thus worth £500 then you sell it at that, if it cant hit that you try a few other speeds with cheaper sale points, if it fails all of those you flog it at the current market price.

OCUK buy trays of these chips in the hope that say 1 in 5 can hit the highest numbers to get the best return in profit.

 

[SiDeards73]

Retail chips are Binned as well so you cant win.

Where? im 99% sure OCUK dont bin retail chips do they? fairly sure the pre-binned ones are all OEM's and just OCUK offer the warranty on them as they are marked up so high, and if your 5.2ghz chip failed, OCUK would need to provide another, something Intel cant do as they dont sell them binned. OCUK does.

I might be wrong on OCUK binning retail chips, but as far as i was aware they only binned the OEM stuff, which makes business sense as there is the most profit in those chips if binning.

 

[chippy08]

Where? im 99% sure OCUK dont bin retail chips do they? fairly sure the pre-binned ones are all OEM's and just OCUK offer the warranty on them as they are marked up so high, and if your 5.2ghz chip failed, OCUK would need to provide another, something Intel cant do as they dont sell them binned. OCUK does.

I might be wrong on OCUK binning retail chips, but as far as i was aware they only binned the OEM stuff, which makes business sense as there is the most profit in those chips if binning.

Read here https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/8700k-ocuk-stock-and-binned-processors.18795468/ post number 7

 

[trisp]

Of course the OEM stock is being binned and sold on... how else do you think they get pre binned chips? this is why you either a) buy a prebinned chip if you want a certain speed or b) buy retail and hope it clocks well... those OEM chips should supposedly go to the system builds that OCUK do, but its obvious they are in demand and selling so thats where they are going....

Its simple economics, if chip A can hit 5ghz and is thus worth £500 then you sell it at that, if it cant hit that you try a few other speeds with cheaper sale points, if it fails all of those you flog it at the current market price.

OCUK buy trays of these chips in the hope that say 1 in 5 can hit the highest numbers to get the best return in profit.

Ocuk are currently not reselling the 8600k in any other flavour other then retail or oem (unlike the 8700k there is no higher binned ones or anything like that) so i do not think that should apply.

And as others said oem does not mean someone gets to put it in the system play around with it to there hearts content clear it up badly and also damage it.

 

[the wopster]

Where? im 99% sure OCUK dont bin retail chips do they? fairly sure the pre-binned ones are all OEM's and just OCUK offer the warranty on them as they are marked up so high, and if your 5.2ghz chip failed, OCUK would need to provide another, something Intel cant do as they dont sell them binned. OCUK does.

I might be wrong on OCUK binning retail chips, but as far as i was aware they only binned the OEM stuff, which makes business sense as there is the most profit in those chips if binning.

I think what he means is when there was a shortage Overclockers were opening the retail chips and binning them, those that didn’t make the grade were sold as OEM and those that did were delidded and binned

 

[chippy08]

I think what he means is when there was a shortage Overclockers were opening the retail chips and binning them, those that didn’t make the grade were sold as OEM and those that did were delidded and binned

Maybe but it stopped me buying retail chips from here.

 

[3t3P]

contemplating a retail CPU from elsewhere that has stock. Thing is that difference extra costs me the same as another component for my build i.e. I don't feel I should have to do that

Gutted for you that your actual substrate is damaged

 

[trisp]

Well i just phoned in and offered a refund or swap for another 8600k oem. (customer service was fine just no budging)

Thing is the boxed one is 20 pounds more and now out of stock.... so i have a choice of buying the more expensive one (something i do not need as will be delidding anyway) and waiting for it to arrive (time isnt that important but still abit annoying).

Or trying my luck with another oem 8600k which could have the same issue or be cleaned much better and i would not notice that i bought a lemon.

I have returned things before to ocuk and its been fine but this time the choice i was given just feels wrong :/

Especially when it is now obvious something fishy is going on.

 

[Gibbo]

Probably a chip which was tested for and failed the binning process for their overclocked SKUs. I've always assumed that's what the "OEM" listings were, as inevitably there are going to be chips that don't make it, and it's not like they can reseal the box.

We do not bin or pre-test 8600k, so definitely not that, any CPU returned (USED) should be b-graded.

To me it looks like its covered in finger prints.

Well i just saw this thread and made me worry as i also bought an 8600k oem and got it today (i wasnt going to be building it till next week)

And just wow not only has mine clearly also been used ! (i can not believe i am buying old/used stock as the implications are horrendous)

Mine is actually physically damaged aswell!!

Not a happy bunny like!

(cant get the last to resize properly btw soz)

Looks to me like it was dropped by the distributor posting to ourselves and our booking in guys did not notice who put them in the white boxes or it was dropped by our staff and simply put in the box. Not great either way.

 

[3t3P]

I'm returning mine just got off the phone too.

 

[Bailey]

Hi guys

Very Strange indeed Gibbo has just pointed this thread out to me. As gibbo has stated any used returns would be B graded and that has always been the rule so it must have come from the manufacturer in this state which is not good

If you need any assistance feel free to drop me a message in the customer services forum however.

Bailey

 

[trisp]

We do not bin or pre-test 8600k, so definitely not that, any CPU returned (USED) should be b-graded.

To me it looks like its covered in finger prints.







Looks to me like it was dropped by the distributor posting to ourselves and our booking in guys did not notice who put them in the white boxes or it was dropped by our staff and simply put in the box. Not great either way.

Not great at all

 

[Gibbo]

What shocks me is this clearly means oem stock are being binned.

I made a posted in big 8700k binned thread about the concerns of how they are reselling the 8700k and at guaranteed speeds and what that could mean they are doing, but in truth i wasnt sure what they could be doing and to find out what they could be possibly doing with all there stock is quite concerning

Just crazy as i now know not only do i need a refund but also that oem are not a safe chip to buy.

First of 8 Pack or no one at OcUK bins 8600K, we don't offer them pre-tested and have no intentions to do so, simply as 8700K is too time consuming for us.

Second returns have instructions from me any CPU returned used has to be b-graded and sold in b-grade below cost to clear it. As such its either come to OcUK in this state and not being spotted by the booking in person or its being damage in our warehouse and not noticed, either way I have made our returns manager aware of this thread and how critical it is that any CPU returned from customer used gets b-graded.

Back to our binning process.

All the OEM chips we do bin, go in a bin, by that I mean they will go in their speed bin right down to the lowest stable clock grade, as such they are sold as binned. Any surplus are kept aside for our none overclocked system builds, they never find there way back in our warehouse. 8 Pack is aware of this rule and follows it, hence we now have a new 4.9GHz 8700k SKU on our website for the ones that failed to achieve 5.0GHz using our testing parameters.

Retail chips are sealed, we very rarely test retail, if we do, its the same as OEM process, the chips tested go into their relevant binning grade.

As such the retail and OEM chips on the site you can buy, are un-tested, certainly by 8 Pack anyway as the CPU's he takes are go into grades and right now were only grading 8700K and those take all his time due to how popular they are.

As such my only explanation here is that either for whatever reason our SI department have used one and returned to stock, or a return from customer has being put back as new stock, both of which should not be happening and as such you have my apologies on that. This thread has being sent to management to ensure it does not happen again assuming it was OcUK and not come to us in this state and not being spotted by our booking in team which I can understand as they will book in around 1000+ CPU's at a time so they do not visually inspect them close up and as such mistakes can happen.

 

[Bailey]

Again just backing up what Gibbo has said if you need any help or assistance feel free to give me a shout

Bailey