Student support grants likely to be axed

MrMoonX · 12 Jun 2015 at 13:17

Same old Tories!

Combine this with selling off RBS on the cheap to banker friends, how anyone can feel they are anything but the party of the rich is beyond me

Burnsy2023 · 12 Jun 2015 at 13:29

Moses said:
Would Labour have been any different? None of the main parties promised to protect the DBIS budget...

No but the LibDems prevented this last parliament. Perhaps their contribution to the coalition was more successful than they were given credit for?

Mason- · 12 Jun 2015 at 13:29

Moses said:
Would Labour have been any different? None of the main parties promised to protect the DBIS budget...

They're selling RBS off on the cheap? Citation?

Come now. Did you not know that it has been scientifically proven that the grass is always greener on the other side? And that the government is the source of all my problems!

Mr Jack · 12 Jun 2015 at 13:39

Burnsy2023 said:
No but the LibDems prevented this last parliament. Perhaps their contribution to the coalition was more successful than they were given credit for?

The Lib Dem's enabled the Tories throughout the last parliament, that they resulted in a minority Tory government not getting a few policies through is hardly a recommendation - they would have got far less through without the Lib Dems backing them up.

quickshot89 · 12 Jun 2015 at 13:47

Mason- said:
There seems to be a stigma attached to education that isn't University. I don't understand where it has come from either. People my age should just speak to their parents in their era doing an apprenticeship was fine. There are plenty of successful people who didn't go to unviersity and there will still be plenty of successful people who don't go to university. Teenagers feel like they have to go to university to get anywhere in life and it just simply isn't true. In fact I would say as far as career progression goes for some people university would be detrimental!

Education, Education, Education springs to mind :rolleyes:

Burnsy2023 · 12 Jun 2015 at 13:49

Mr Jack said:
The Lib Dem's enabled the Tories throughout the last parliament, that they resulted in a minority Tory government not getting a few policies through is hardly a recommendation - they would have got far less through without the Lib Dems backing them up.

Perhaps, but would a minority gov have worked? They're all bad options but perhaps this was the least worse option.

Amp34 · 12 Jun 2015 at 14:19

MichaelAwkward said:
The opportunities you had do not exist anymore (apart from the armed forces) without a degree and even then it's extremely competitive.

You can get a degree in the military...

Amp34 · 12 Jun 2015 at 14:25

Moses said:
Yeah I know, I was just saying that undergrads (who get the grants) don't work that much for the entire year.

But I know some courses have a lot of contact hours and require a fair bit of independent study... but through a degree and two masters in two countries, I've known many good medics, engineers, scientists, and lawyers who've gained very good degrees but have still had time to travel, play a lot of sport, work, etc. I don't buy that undergrads who work well need to do 60 hours a week of uni work outside of exam periods.

Same, an ex (as an example) used to work during the summer so she had more money during her term time, doing medicine. As you say it doesn't preclude you from working during the holidays.

Out of interest bennyboy (and those of you that insist you shouldn't have to work during holidays), did you work before you went to uni? Most people must have done some lind of "full" part time work for at least a couple of years before they went to uni, especially if they needed a grant.

Monkeynut · 12 Jun 2015 at 14:26

Kemik said:
I'm going to be controversial and say "good!".

Just because your parents earn more than the £32k or whatever the limit was combined, doesn't mean they're going to/be able to give you cash for University. I funded it all myself via part time jobs and the standard student loan except the odd food shop done by my parents. 2nd summer I done an internship. Why should someone with parents who earn half that of my own get a load of free money?

They should take loans like everyone else. If they do something where they earn a lot of money, they'll pay it back. If they decide to sit at home, they won't and it will effectively be a grant anyway.

I get that it was meant to be an incentive to get poor people to go to University but it doesn't work when its unfair and shafts others.

Note: More well off students will have parents who will pay for their fees/rent. Not much you can do about that. Just don't shaft those in the middle.

Mustn't have worked for you, you live in Widnes.

George Hincapie · 12 Jun 2015 at 14:31

Burnsy2023 said:
Ahh, sorry, I forgot your experience is representative of everyone everywhere. My bad.

One size does not fit all.

I didn't claim otherwise, but you do realise that applies both ways don't you? My argument isn't nonsense just because it's anecdotal.

DiscoDave · 12 Jun 2015 at 14:33

Tummy said:
Poor people should not be educated.

So does that mean you'd rather see rich, stupid people in education and exclude intelligent, poorer people?

haz_pro · 12 Jun 2015 at 14:39

DiscoDave said:
So does that mean you'd rather see rich, stupid people in education and exclude intelligent, poorer people?

WHOOSH

Burnsy2023 · 12 Jun 2015 at 14:40

George Hincapie said:
I didn't claim otherwise, but you do realise that applies both ways don't you? My argument isn't nonsense just because it's anecdotal.

I'm not suggesting otherwise. Some people can overcome really great barriers and be successful and well done to them. It doesn't mean those barriers should be there and that it's the right path for everyone.

Our economy depends on as many people being successful as possible.

George Hincapie · 12 Jun 2015 at 14:42

Burnsy2023 said:
I'm not suggesting otherwise. Some people can overcome really great barriers and be successful and well done to them. It doesn't mean those barriers should be there and that it's the right path for everyone.

Our economy depends on as many people being successful as possible.

Agreed. But good luck changing the World!

Eurofighter · 12 Jun 2015 at 14:44

Conservative scum

wordy · 12 Jun 2015 at 14:54

Tories gonna tory.

Burnsy2023 · 12 Jun 2015 at 14:58

George Hincapie said:
Agreed. But good luck changing the World!

You don't need to change the world. Student grants and reasonable student loans to cover reasonable tuition fees are a good start though.

MrMoonX · 12 Jun 2015 at 15:04

Moses said:
Would Labour have been any different? None of the main parties promised to protect the DBIS budget...

They're selling RBS off on the cheap? Citation?

The government paid 500p a share for the bank, compared with the current price of about 361p

Osbourne seems to like to use our money to buy high sell low, idiot! well it was labour who bought them but still

delta0 · 12 Jun 2015 at 15:26

Kemik said:
So get a part time job to meet the difference? That's what I and many other people who didn't get grants did.

Exactly this. If you want a lifestyle beyond the absolute basic then you need to top it up. This is going to be the biggest life lesson if anything.

arknor · 12 Jun 2015 at 15:34

He's to busy trying to morph into Antonio Banderas

Someone should punch that smug ***** for ruining the country I can see him becoming more hated than blair or even brown

Once the country is stripped bare of all assets then what are the tories going to do? It's not like these assets were depreciating he just wants to flog them to his masters for a quick profit.

Never mind the labour joke asbout the monies gone... won't be any assets either once these ********* move on

What was it 37% of the country voted for them, but they are the majority and act like everyone voted them in.

voting system is not democratic if the majority of voices are not heard!