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BaZ87 said:
No he hasn't admitted to anything to various media outlets. Newspapers are reporting what they believe he may have admitted to saying. They're also reporting that Evra made reference to Suarez being South American and claiming the ref only booked him because he's black.

And what you're now saying is different to what I quoted. Ignorance doesn't equal being a racist. If you believe the term you used is acceptable and is in no way discrimating against the person you used it, you're not being racist. You're ignorant to use the term that might cause offense but you're not necessarily a racist.
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Ignorance is not an excuse for being inappropriately insulting though.

He broke the FA rules with racism-related offences, he's been rightfully punished for it.

I think you and the other Liverpool fans seem to think he's been convicted on Evra's word alone with absolutely no evidence/admission of guilt - this won't be the case. If it is, I will be shocked and the ban will be completely overturned.

Let's see.
 
Robbo said:
Ignorance is not an excuse for being inappropriately insulting though.

He broke the FA rules with racism-related offences, he's been rightfully punished for it.

I think you and the other Liverpool fans seem to think he's been convicted on Evra's word alone with absolutely no evidence - this won't be the case. If it is, I will be shocked and the ban will be completely overturned.

Let's see.
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Agree with you, a bit off transparancy would go along why in bring closure to the matter.
 
DecoySA said:
The John Terry case is completely different though

For starters Terry hasn't admitted to calling ferdinand a "black ****" and there isn't video evidence that provides conclusive proof either way.
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Apart from the countless videos all of youtube of Terry actually clearly saying it to him, it's just his defence is the footage isn't clear and has missed the first part off where he alleges he said "did you think".

But apart from that, yeah there is no evidence at all. :rolleyes:
 
Robbo said:
Ignorance is not an excuse for being inappropriately insulting though.

He broke the FA rules with racism-related offences, he's been rightfully .
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even if he was guilty is 8 games fair? kick/punch someone = 3 games, calling someone a name = 8 games

that is farcical logic by any standards
 
Rotty said:
even if he was guilty is 8 games fair? kick/punch someone = 3 games, calling someone a name = 8 games

that is farcical logic by any standards
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Well racism is taken extremely seriously, they don't want young people to think it's appropriate - nor players be exposed to it.

I'm not saying violence is better - of course it isn't, but they clearly have different rules for different offences.
 
anticonscience said:
You can call it what you will, but surely if you speak a different language and you use the word "negro" to describe black, this surely should not make you racist.
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Your approach is very simplistic. You have to take into account the context in which it was used, the manner and other factors, including where it was used.

The FA are taking a zero tolerance approach on this and I'm pleased about that. If it was ignorance (which I doubt), it's not an excuse. It's obviously been assumed by the FA it was said with malice, and as such caused offence.

There's a good chance Suarez is not a racist and I think the term should be used carefully when describing him as an individual. I do however feel anyone using racist remarks should be dealt with severely, as the FA have done.
 
anticonscience said:
Apart from the countless videos all of youtube of Terry actually clearly saying it to him, it's just his defence is the footage isn't clear and has missed the first part off where he alleges he said "did you think".

But apart from that, yeah there is no evidence at all. :rolleyes:
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you've missed the point. one involves someone admitting to saying something which is deemed racist in this country and the other involves someone not admitting to saying something racist. Suarez case was most likely relatively easy to come to a conclusion because of this whereas the Terry case is more awkward due to his denial and the fact his defence revolves around him claiming to say "i didn't call your a black ****". Unfortunately Ashley Coles big head obscures this vital piece of information and therefore the case is considerably more tricky to prove than Suarezs case where he just came out and admitted it.

If found guilty then he deserves to get the same ban and kicked out of the national team and that will no doubt happen.
 
grimm said:
You are really exaggerating over the Rooney incident. Stop getting fixated on that, as this is an entirely different issue.

All clubs receive their share of dodgy decisions from officials during matches to the FA outside of them. The "poor little Suarez, big bad Taggart" attitude from Liverpool fans in this thread is wearing thin tbh.

Supporters of all football clubs (apart from Liverpool apparently) want to see a tough stance on racism (see the Blatter incident). Liverpool are just unfortunate that Suarez got caught out first, but it is the man's own attitude problems that have caused it, not Alex Ferguson, not the FA, not any other individual or organisation.
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its an entirely different issue becuase its rooney!

how about the swearing into the camera, what happened there?

fergie punishment for what he said about linesmen? what happened there?

its not the first time evra has pulled the race card, remember at the training ground ?

Suarez admitted calling him Negito (meaning "pal" in his native tongue)

sure Suarez has been naive, but he doesn't deserve to be branded a racist and banned for 8 games
 
Robbo said:
Ignorance is not an excuse for being inappropriately insulting though.

He broke the FA rules with racism-related offences, he's been rightfully punished for it.

I think you and the other Liverpool fans seem to think he's been convicted on Evra's word alone with absolutely no evidence/admission of guilt - this won't be the case. If it is, I will be shocked and the ban will be completely overturned.

Let's see.
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Ignorance not being an excuse is fine, it automatically making you a racist is not though. I objected to you saying it makes him racist, not that its an acceptable excuse.

And me and other Liverpool fans what? I've not claimed his innocence nor have I claimed I believe his/liverpool's reported version of events. Unlike you and plenty of others on both sides, I'm waiting to read the report and see what evidence was provided and defense given before I make any statements.
 
BaZ87 said:
Ignorance not being an excuse is fine, it automatically making you a racist is not though. I objected to you saying it makes him racist, not that its an acceptable excuse.

And me and other Liverpool fans what? I've not claimed his innocence nor have I claimed I believe his/liverpool's reported version of events. Unlike you and plenty of others on both sides, I'm waiting to read the report and see what evidence was provided and defense given before I make any statements.
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your not under oath in court

you can have an opinion with official documentation
 
denby said:
its not the first time evra has pulled the race card, remember at the training ground ?
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I suggest you do some research before talking nonsense.

Evra never claimed anyone was racist in that incident, its a myth branded about by disgruntled and uninformed liverpool fans.

It was Mike Phelan and Richard Hartis who claimed Chelsea’s groundsmen abused Evra, Evra made no comments whatsoever

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BaZ87 said:
Ignorance not being an excuse is fine, it automatically making you a racist is not though. I objected to you saying it makes him racist, not that its an acceptable excuse.

And me and other Liverpool fans what? I've not claimed his innocence nor have I claimed I believe his/liverpool's reported version of events. Unlike you and plenty of others on both sides, I'm waiting to read the report and see what evidence was provided and defense given before I make any statements.
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The FA haven't branded him racist, I don't know whether he's racist or not, but he used a racist term.

The papers may brand him racist, but they are papers, it's what they do.

I'd also like to see the official court events but I can safely assume there was some evidence or an admission of some sort.

Shamikebab said:
You're giving the rest of the Liverpool fans on here a bad name Denby.
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Absolutely. Thankfully I think we know he's just here to wind up the Man Utd fans so whatever. :)
 
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