Subaru-powered Toyota FT-86 gets closer to production...

peterattheboro said:
His point is that you can take a lower powered car to it's limit and still get the same enjoyment from taking a higher powered car to it's limit without the risk of losing your license.
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when i crashed my primera gt i got a colt 1.0 courtesy car. sure i ragged it on the limiter everytime i moved the car. yes it was fun. could i put my foot down like that in first or second in my mr2turbo? no because it will hit 60 in about 5.5 seconds and be illegal after about 7 seconds lol but does that mean it isn't fun to drive? hell no...

you just have to learn to enjoy it in a more responsible way.

the ft86isn't a super low weight vehicle its about the same as my primera and corolla t sport 190 were...about the same as a twosx...like i said its a car that's 15 years too late.
 
The Running Man said:
when i crashed my primera gt i got a colt 1.0 courtesy car. sure i ragged it on the limiter everytime i moved the car. yes it was fun. could i put my foot down like that in first or second in my mr2turbo? no because it will hit 60 in about 5.5 seconds and be illegal after about 7 seconds lol but does that mean it isn't fun to drive? hell no...

you just have to learn to enjoy it in a more responsible way.

the ft86isn't a super low weight vehicle its about the same as my primera and corolla t sport 190 were...about the same as a twosx...like i said its a car that's 15 years too late.
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There is no right or wrong when it comes to this. Comparing my 1.4 306 with 75bhp and my Octavia which is about 200bhp. Driving the same country roads in the 306 I used to eek out every little bit of power I could, quite often I would still be picking up speed to the point where I would need to brake for the next turn, I'd hold off braking for as long as possible and pop it down the gears keeping the revs in the upper digits. I'd carry as much speed as possible knowing that it took an age to build it back up. It was great fun.

Same thing in my Octavia I'll hit my "no more" speed well before the next corner so I just sit there at a steady pace, come to the corner and it doesn't really matter how much speed I carry through as it takes little time to wind it back up again. Not really bothering with engine braking as FI doesn't lend to it as much, in reality I carry more speed through the corner due to having more grip. Not really too worried about being in the optimum gear as long as I have enough revs for the turbo to spool up. Off to the next corner...

Ok so an extreme example but highlights how one car can be driven "on it" for longer and how it makes you think more about what you have under you and how best to squeeze the most out of it.

Your point about it being too late is an interesting one, I think that is partly what they are aiming for, something with that older car drive, as they say- a spiritual successor to the AE86.

Don't get me wrong, everyone is entitled to their opinion and no one is right or wrong in these situations. While the car won't float everyones boat I think it is too early to write it off on paper alone.

EDIT- the above reads like I think my car has supercar performance :o I'm not that deluded, just highlighting the differences in driving that different cars get out of you :p
 
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oh and if your waiting for trd - even the special trd m edition of the last celica was virtually identical to the standard t sport celica. they may have offered a compressor add on as tte did for the corolla and as tte did as a limited run corolla compressor. but then tte died and got remanded as Toyota f1 Europe gmbh or something after which i haven't seen many real performance upgrades.
 
Theres two things that occur to me when looking at the specs...

Firstly it has ~200bhp and weighs 1250 Kg, yet its 0-60 is worse than the 1986 Supra which had ~200bp and weighed 1650 Kg, so what compromises were made to get the high mpg from the FT-86 and will it prove worth it?

Secondly, staying with the Supra, the MKiii went on sale with a ~200bhp N/A in '86 but ended in '92 with a ~300bhp twin turbo. People have already put V8's and straight six's into the FT-86 so the chances are good Toyota may offer it in the future with a beefier engine or just turbo/super charge the one it has, that would be cool.
 
lordrobs said:
The price, I grant you is a little steep and not what they were eluding to when the car was first mentioned :(
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Unfortunately the price for it though is something that is a bit beyond control! With the "crisis" that hit Asia, and the worldwide economic climate, it's pushed the price up a lot :( Real shame!
 
Not technically about the GT-86 but related:

According to our man in Japan Peter Lyon, Toyota R&D is working on a Supra successor that is being tested with a 3.5-liter V-6 hybrid system generating over 400 hp. Rumored to be wearing a design close to the FT-HS concept’s body (pictured below) revealed at the 2007 Detroit show, the rear-drive coupe is expected to target the Nissan GT-R in terms of performance and price. But our insider tells us that Toyota bean counters “are not too pushing to get this car out quickly,” and are waiting to see how the GT86 goes. If it gets the go-ahead, we won’t see it until 2015.

In contrast, Toyota engineers ARE putting more effort into readying a test mule of the MR-S based 4WD GRMN coupe boasting the same Lexus GS sourced 3.5-liter hybrid system. If this project gets the green light, we can expect to see it in showrooms by late 2014.

However, there seems to be one issue for Toyota product planners. They are in the final developmental stages of a Lexus IS coupe that will be powered by the same powertrain, a fact that creates a differentiation problem for Toyota.
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Cit: http://wot.motortrend.com/we-hear-new-toyota-supra-in-pipeline-coming-with-400-hp-hybrid-145159.html

So the is good chances a strong sales performance from the GT-86 will see the return of the Supra and the MR2 /drool
 
I think the days on the Japanese straight sixes are finally gone with the confirmation that the new Supra will have a V6 :( Still, I won't rant at Toyota, because hey, they're finally getting exciting again!
 
Imy said:
Oh dear. I found the headroom somewhat lacking in the scirocco. I prefer a high seating position (well high enough to see the bonnet anyway).
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You won't like this then, they went to a bit of trouble to make the hip position as low as possible. Lowest of any production car iirc. Why would you want to be able to see the bonnet though anyway?
 
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