**Summer Transfer Thread: News, Rumours and Speculation**

drunkenmaster said:
Errm, you want to show me which UTd striker I compared his stats to that was a out and out finisher that scored way more than him? or the Arsenal striker I also did the same for?

So before you go accusing me of using stats to prove something, that isn't true and that I didn't prove or try to prove, try to read what I said.
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drunkenmaster said:
Bendtner scored 9 goals, with 1750 minutes(roughly) on the pitch last year, Crouch got 10 with almost 3400 minutes on the pitch, so one more goal for almost double the time.
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Errm, That would be an Arsenal player and those would be stats are they not? :p
 
drunkenmaster said:
I still can't work out why so few strikers scored well last year, the leagues changing, ...
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I've been saying this for a couple of years now; last year only Anelka got close to a striker's traditional target of 20, the previous year just two beat it, the year before that just one player got it and only one other (McCarthy) got anywhere near it. Maybe the play's changed leading to some of these situations for example :

*strikers being so well marked that they get fewer,
*striker quality decreasing; Shearer, Henry, RvN are all gone, and few are around of somewhat comparable quality, who play all the way through a season e.g. Torres I don't think has these last two years,
*striker's traditional role sort of decreasing, more and more are playing the forward's role and drifting slightly deeper,
*midfielders just scoring more / play's the type game where they're more likely to do so now,
*defenders getting better (?),
*also these last few years, it might just be me but I swear I've heard far more stress put on the importance of a DM...
 
drunkenmaster said:
So basically, both managed to score against what were all(except everton) heavily struggling , quite poor teams.
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So good strikers only score against good teams? I assume Bendtner scoring one goal against Liverpool, Arsenal, Man United and Chelsea would make him a far better striker than someone who scored one goal against each of the other 15 teams in the league? :o

Edit: BTW, do you mind posting which teams Bendtner scored against last season. I assume they were all top teams?

drunkenmaster said:
Doesn't prove much to me while you were getting spanked 6-0 by city, beaten by Pool, Arsenal, Newcastle and everyone else.
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So you can judge how good a striker is by how many his team concede? :o
 
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Chong Warrior said:
Watch out for Modric now :)
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How do you mean?

Playing better or leaving?

If Harry does use Keane behind Defoe and Crouch than this is surely where Modric sits. I can't see him dropping deeper..

Crouch isn't a bad signing for us tbh. Someone to latch on to those corners we seem to have trouble with. Just need someone who can cross the damn ball :p

I am disappointed that Bent may end up leaving. He's still our to goal scorer last season and has been given a rough ride at the lane. Sure, he's missed chances but then so do most strikers. It's a shame one incident "appears" to be his undoing.

Can't agree more with the defenders. Although and if anyone should be offloaded it should be King. I'm feed up with the ongoing saga about his knee. Either he can play week in week out or leave. Simple as that.
 
Real Madrid/alonso

Is anyone else seriously hacked off with Real and their annoying way of trying to get players? £30 million or F off.

"A year ago, certain players we have asked about would have cost less than half the price we are being quoted now. There is nothing that justifies these prices. If necessary, we will find the Spanish players we would like for the squad in our youth system."
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I find that quote higly amusing, considering they spent £80 million on Ronaldo. :rolleyes:
 
Admiral Huddy said:
How do you mean?

Playing better or leaving?
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Playing better of course ;) Along with Woodgate, Palacios and Lennon he's one of the untouchables at WHL in my eyes.

Admiral Huddy said:
If Harry does use Keane behind Defoe and Crouch than this is surely where Modric sits. I can't see him dropping deeper..
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Keane is going to be a problem for us this season. I don't know what happened to him on that journey up the M6 but he just isn't the same player. Hope he proves me wrong...
Admiral Huddy said:
I am disappointed that Bent may end up leaving. He's still our to goal scorer last season and has been given a rough ride at the lane. Sure, he's missed chances but then so do most strikers. It's a shame one incident "appears" to be his undoing.
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It's his lack of ability and confidence that's his undoing... You really think Harry is such a mug he'd get rid quality players because of one incident? I've said it a few times in here already, yes he'll score goals but if we need to push on and progress then we need players with a bit more to their game.

Too many games last season we were under constant pressure because of our forwards inability to hold the ball up. Soon as it was played forward it was coming straight back at us time after time after time.
Admiral Huddy said:
Can't agree more with the defenders. Although and if anyone should be offloaded it should be King. I'm feed up with the ongoing saga about his knee. Either he can play week in week out or leave. Simple as that.
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Sorry but I don't agree with this view on King. We scream blue murder at Campbell for his treachery and lack of loyalty. King is Spurs through and through..... now it's our turn to show him the loyalty and repect we demand from players.

How many fans are moaning about all the players being greedy and not caring about the club they play for?
 
Seems like a fair few sources think that Toure to Man City is more or less done, £15M and £120K a week.

If this goes through and Wenger doesn't spend they deserve to finish outside the top four.
 
BBC Transfer Gossip said:
1001 BST: Liverpool defender Alvaro Arbeloa says he is close to completing a transfer to Spanish giants Real Madrid. (Marca)


TRANSFER GOSSIP
Manchester City have struck a deal with Arsenal for the £15m signing of defender Kolo Toure, who will double his wages at Eastlands.
Full story: Daily Mail

Toure's departure from Arsenal to Manchester City is set to spark a defender merry-go-round this summer. Joleon Lescott will also move to Eastlands from Everton, with Tottenham's Alan Hutton and City's Nedum Onuoha replacing him at Goodison Park, while Arsenal are to move for Fulham's Brede Hangeland. (Daily Mirror)

Manchester City and Bolton are leading the chase for Sporting Lisbon midfielder Miguel Veloso, who is valued at about £15m.
Full story: The Sun

Real Madrid have said that Liverpool's £30m valuation of midfielder Xabi Alonso is unrealistic. The Spanish club are not willing to pay more than £24m.
Full story: Daily Telegraph

Burnley are ready to make an improved bid for Sheffield Wednesday striker Marcus Tudgay.
Full story: Daily Mirror

West Ham are struggling to keep defender Lucas Neill at the club after contract talks broke down. Turkish side Galatasaray are favourites to sign the 31-year-old.
Full story: The Sun

West Ham striker Dean Ashton is wanted by Hull after they failed to sign Bobby Zamora from Fulham.
Full story: Daily Express

Aston Villa are interested in Blackburn's £6m-rated defender Stephen Warnock.
Full story: Daily Mail

Arsenal have joined the list of clubs linked with Roma striker Mirko Vucinic. (Daily Telegraph)

Hull are poised to join Everton in the race for Tottenham defender Alan Hutton.
Full story: The Sun

Portsmouth are closing in on the signing of Hadjuk Split striker Nikola Kalinic as a replacement for Peter Crouch, who has joined Tottenham. (Various)

And Pompey have offered defender Sylvain Distin a new contract to fight off Aston Villa's £3m bid. (Daily Mirror)

Fulham midfielder Danny Murphy and Portsmouth winger John Utaka are both targets for Stoke.
Full story: Daily Mail

Wigan have told former boss Steve Bruce, who is now at Sunderland, not to make another bid for midfielder Lee Cattermole.
Full story: The Sun

Everton manager David Moyes has launched a £7m bid for Alan Hutton after the Scotland defender was deemed surplus to requirements at Tottenham Hotspur. (Daily Record)

Kilmarnock have agreed a contract with freed Rotherham striker Mark Burchill subject to a medical. (Various)

Plymouth have put in a cash offer to Amiens for Reda Johnson and are likely to beat Aberdeen to the defender's signature. (Daily Record)

Hamilton are keeping tabs on 20-year-old former Rennes defender David Louhongou. (Daily Record)

St Johnstone will complete the signing of former Inverness midfielder Filipe Morais on Wednesday. (Various)


OTHER GOSSIP
Inter Milan's ex-Chelsea coach Jose Mourinho says he wants to succeed Sir Alex Ferguson as manager of Manchester United.
Full story: Daily Mirror

Barcelona's former Arsenal striker Thierry Henry has denied reports that he told another ex-Gunners favourite, Patrick Vieira, to sign for arch rivals Tottenham, although he did tell Spurs boss Harry Redknapp the Inter Milan midfielder "would be a brilliant signing". However, Henry added: "I am Arsenal through and through. I'd never advise anyone to sign for Tottenham."
Full story: The Sun

Kilmarnock have withdrawn their offer of a coaching post to retiring midfielder Gary Locke. (The Times)

Dinamo Moscow assistant Alexsandr Smirnov says he learned little about Celtic on Sunday because Tony Mowbray played his reserve side in the 2-0 win over Tottenham Hotspur.
Full story: Daily Record

Celtic are set to name Lisbon Lion and former captain and manager Billy McNeill as the club's official ambassador.
Full story: The Sun

Scotland manager George Burley has written to Sir Alex Ferguson asking for Darren Fletcher to be rested for Man Utd's Community Shield match against Chelsea ahead of the World Cup qualifier in Norway.
Full story: Daily Record

Steau Bucharest president Gigi Becali says Motherwell have no chance of beating his team in Thursday's Europa League qualifier.
Full story: Daily Record

Former Aberdeen and Hibernian manager Alex Smith has been sacked by J-League club JEF United Chiba. (Daily Mail)

Scotland Women's record goalscorer Julie Fleeting has given birth to baby daughter Ella Katie. (The Scotsman)


AND FINALLY
Chelsea captain John Terry has revealed the level of influence he has at Stamford Bridge in his first interview since rejecting Manchester City's overtures. Terry says he is among a trio of players, along with midfielder Frank Lampard and striker Didier Drogba, who give advice to owner Roman Abramovich.
Various

Darren Bent really was a last-minute withdrawal from Tottenham's pre-season tour to China as his move to Sunderland gathered pace on Monday night. The striker was strapped in his seat just before take off when the call came that the two clubs were close to agreeing a deal. His bags were retrieved from the hold of the plane before he travelled north to begin talks.
Various
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BFCTom said:
Seems like a fair few sources think that Toure to Man City is more or less done, £15M and £120K a week.

If this goes through and Wenger doesn't spend they deserve to finish outside the top four.
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I'd agree if he doesn't try to sign someone.

Toure would be hard to replace and its not just a cast of going out and getting another CB from the high street.
 
anticonscience said:
Real Madrid/alonso

Is anyone else seriously hacked off with Real and their annoying way of trying to get players? £30 million or F off.



I find that quote higly amusing, considering they spent £80 million on Ronaldo. :rolleyes:
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They are just hacked off that Rafa is sticking to his guns about the valuation for Alonso and that their usual tactic of getting the player so unsettled they ask for a transfer has so far not worked.
I for one am glad we are not letting them bully us into selling Alonso.
 
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