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Between those two posts you've both summed up everything thats wrong with Walcott (and to an extent football in general). Too much emphasis is put on pace (even just pace off the ball) as the theory is you can teach someone fast how to kick a ball but you can't teach someone who can kick a ball how to be fast.
Anyway there was the traditional joke rumour that he was coming back to Saints. I'd rather pay him not to come back(ox can come back though).
Walcott is exactly like Jonathan Forte (who we have sent on loan to Notts County), fast and rubbish. I think every team has had one, or just has employed Forte...
Problem is, sensible managers would have accepted it as a mistake and sent him on his way after MAX two seasons, and after having actually played him as a striker properly. This is where Wenger fails, awful player is truly awful......... give him a new 20k a week raise every 2-3 years and persist playing him. One player, sure lots of managers have a player they like, or maybe just raises team morale or everyone loves. But a half dozen, which is closer to a dozen this season....... laughable situation really.
Walcott always remind me of Darren Cambell when he played in that sky one charity celeb football thingy. So quick off the ball and absolutely clueless when he got on the end of it. I remember thinking at the time that if cambell had even half a touch he could have torn defenses apart. Walcott has actually managed to get paid for being Darren Cambell. Off the ball like lightning, on it ****ing laughable. I bet Cambell looks at Walcott and wishes he had not bothered with athletics
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Wish it was more permanent rather than a loan...the guy clearly doesn't want to play for us...hardly puts in any effort when he's on the pitch...saying that I hope he does well over at Zenit
That's pretty much the comedy of it really. I use the Forte case as comparison, he has had 9 league appearances last season and got 2 poacher tapins against MK Dons at home (big 3 points). But that alone cannot buy a life long contract when he'll never get played as even the manager has accepted he is not good enough, which is why he's loaned out this season after 2 TERRIBLE carling cup outings.
I find it amazing anyone puts up with the Wenger knows best thing even though Walcott comes across as football's biggest let downs (what happens when you throw money at a player that could be good if given the right treatment).
Just pray he doesn't ruin Chamberlain
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He might well, I HATE the "praise" he is receiving right now for playing Ox in a couple games, when he was forced into this decision as Gervinho wasn't available. Ox has been far superior to Walcott/Gervinho every second he's been an Arsenal player.
He could well ruin him, simply by not playing him. I'll point out Vela again, he's gaining form by the game now, for 3 years essentially given no games almost at all. A very short run at West Brom where he did get goals but didn't get many 90 minutes, in fact only starting 3 games and still got 2 goals and an assist.
The only reason he looked poor at Arsenal was seeing him after several months on the bench, seeing him for 30 mins, then not for another several months.
Ox though seems to be liked by Wenger which might make him a certain starter even if he ends up being a bit pap. Then again you have to look at earlier this season, Walcott and Gervinho playing over Ox.
THing is, where could Arsenal be now if, we'd kept Gilberto and he stayed on as the best DM in the league for another few years then went into coaching defence for us(something apparently no one is doing), if we'd ditched Song/Diaby/Denilson/Walcott before spending so ridiculously much on all of them, and a few others. We've had so many players thrown aside because Wenger randomly decides to not use them and alienating them while destroying their form, and so many other players randomly started any time they are fit no matter how completely useless they are.
Seriously even a 7-1 win against Blackburn, a joke of a team in that game, when you compare it to 9/10 games anywhere from 2000-2005, the team is just so much worse, playing much worse football.
Maybe the biggest joke, spending 70-80% more on wages, Arsenal fans being charged more than basically any other team in Europe(I'm guessing I know in the UK and assuming more than the other leagues as well) for football that is worse, isn't winning anything, and for a significantly worse team.
He could well ruin him, simply by not playing him. I'll point out Vela again, he's gaining form by the game now, for 3 years essentially given no games almost at all. A very short run at West Brom where he did get goals but didn't get many 90 minutes, in fact only starting 3 games and still got 2 goals and an assist.
The only reason he looked poor at Arsenal was seeing him after several months on the bench, seeing him for 30 mins, then not for another several months.
Ox though seems to be liked by Wenger which might make him a certain starter even if he ends up being a bit pap. Then again you have to look at earlier this season, Walcott and Gervinho playing over Ox.
THing is, where could Arsenal be now if, we'd kept Gilberto and he stayed on as the best DM in the league for another few years then went into coaching defence for us(something apparently no one is doing), if we'd ditched Song/Diaby/Denilson/Walcott before spending so ridiculously much on all of them, and a few others. We've had so many players thrown aside because Wenger randomly decides to not use them and alienating them while destroying their form, and so many other players randomly started any time they are fit no matter how completely useless they are.
Seriously even a 7-1 win against Blackburn, a joke of a team in that game, when you compare it to 9/10 games anywhere from 2000-2005, the team is just so much worse, playing much worse football.
Maybe the biggest joke, spending 70-80% more on wages, Arsenal fans being charged more than basically any other team in Europe(I'm guessing I know in the UK and assuming more than the other leagues as well) for football that is worse, isn't winning anything, and for a significantly worse team.
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This is wengers negotiation techniques
. Laugh him off in January to hopefully drive the price down in the summer 
Samba gone it seems and Arshavin to (although only on loan). Bit annoyed with the Arshavin loan tbh as much as people hate on him he can still produce magic moments - no one else could have picked out Henry with that cross between two defenders against Sunderland.
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Dm no one is as good now as 2000-2005...
Look at utd, dumped out of the cl in the easiest group. Lose to ajax at home.
Chelsea getting done by napoli and being awful in the league.
Arsenal are simply an.extension of this trend. And sadly for you it has just become more apparentt this season as you lost 2 of your 3 best players.
I couldn't even tell you who utd s top 3 players are any more the level of quality has reduced bringing the average right Down. But if we had been forced to sell 2 out of our top 3 then we would be doing even worse than we are now. And this must rank as one of our worst seasons for years.
Look at utd, dumped out of the cl in the easiest group. Lose to ajax at home.
Chelsea getting done by napoli and being awful in the league.
Arsenal are simply an.extension of this trend. And sadly for you it has just become more apparentt this season as you lost 2 of your 3 best players.
I couldn't even tell you who utd s top 3 players are any more the level of quality has reduced bringing the average right Down. But if we had been forced to sell 2 out of our top 3 then we would be doing even worse than we are now. And this must rank as one of our worst seasons for years.
or putting it another way, its amazing that with the constant injuries we have had this season (Hernandez in and out, Vidic missing 5 months + most likely, Cleverley missing 3+, Rooney having to play in midfield a lot of the time, no settled defence without Rio or Vidic for the most part) its amazing Utd are still 2nd and at the very least pushing City all the way
2005 (going off memory) Utd were seemingly much more mature / experienced team, now for the most part 2 - 3 of the back five are under 21 , Nani not performing (as he has admitted), only Rooney in the strike force really experienced (of those favoured, which is a different discussion entirely), young struggling to show his worth (when he isnt injured), and apart from Scholes (who wasnt even part of the team for 5 months) a pretty invisible CM
More tosh from Nickg I see
Fact is like Frank said there's not a team in the league that could still be two points off top with the amount of injuries we've had this season. At no point have we had a settled defence, at no point have we had a settled midfield and at no point have we had a settled attack
I guarantee had City had the amount of enforced changes to their team as we've had they'd be battling it out for forth with the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea & Liverpool
Fact is like Frank said there's not a team in the league that could still be two points off top with the amount of injuries we've had this season. At no point have we had a settled defence, at no point have we had a settled midfield and at no point have we had a settled attack
I guarantee had City had the amount of enforced changes to their team as we've had they'd be battling it out for forth with the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea & Liverpool
The Star (that reliable source of footy knowledge ) is reporting that Paul Pogba, who according to SAF the day before "needs games", is as of Friday training on his own at Carrington
I hope its all bs, but I suspect he's off to Juve in the summer
) is reporting that Paul Pogba, who according to SAF the day before "needs games", is as of Friday training on his own at CarringtonI hope its all bs, but I suspect he's off to Juve in the summer
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Other managers being lazy and rubbish and other teams getting worse is not an excuse for Arsenal to get worse. It's not "okay" that we give Walcott 60-70k a week because utd are also overpaying people and have also gotten worse.
Our league should be embarrassed. Look at the utter domination Real and Barca have over the rest of the league with comparitively unlimited spending, and a lot of the other teams still spend relatively heavily anyway. Utd have made more money(though serviced pointless debt also) and made a killing from the sales of Ronaldo and a few others, they really should have a significantly better team. Chelsea have no excuse at all, their team is a complete embarrassement though the squad has always been incredibly poor(from around Mourinho's 2nd -3rd year) for the money they've put in.
I've said for over 5 years, there is not a single season Arsenal couldn't have won the title, earlier on because everyone else was getting worse and Arsenal had an excellent but entirely mismanaged squad but that could also have been improved dramatically by ditching 1-2 players and buying a couple. In the past few years, simply from the terms that had we not destroyed the squad Utd/Chelsea had been so poor in the past 3-4 seasons(for champions) that any team with a very good squad could have walked the league.
In terms of how embarressed the league overall should be, wow, the top 4 have gotten SO much worse and other than Spurs no one has improved at all but gotten worse at much the same rate.
Unfortunately a team happy with 8th 7 years ago, is happy with 8th now, and as that got easier worse managers, worse performances, worse spending and stupid wages have taken over.
I still think one thing that is killing the league is manangers and coaches that have been far to comfortable for FAR to long.
Seriously, Villa may have only been competing for 6-9th most seasons but back when Arsenal were at their best Villa vs Arsenal games could be epic.
Again, just because everyone else is also getting worse is no excuse for Arsenal. At least a lot of other teams haven't increased their wage spending by well, getting closer to 100% for this season to provide significantly worse teams and at least Utd still win stuff, and Chelsea, and Spurs, and very very likely Liverpool.
Our unbeaten team would have utterly utterly destroyed Brum in the final last year, I'd be less surprised with 10-0 than losing had that game been our unbeaten team(or any team in the 5 years before that). Last year I wasn't even slightly surprised we lost.
From a foreign perspective, apart from U18 players, even if Utd had the money to offer transfer fees and wages like City, its not like they could compete with the likes of Barca and Real in the glamour / lifestyle stakes (baring in mind that majority of high profile young prospects have ended up there in the last two summers)
The only transfer SAF really missed out on (when he had a chance) was Sneijder leaving Real which I think was the summer immediately after Utd won the CL in Moscow, when SAF had just bought , the last summer, Nani Anderson and Hargreaves for the midfield....as well as busy trying to keep Ronaldo..... now maybe the latter was always going to happen it was just a matter of time, but even he couldnt have predicted the other two (admittedly Anderson is the only one who really plays in the same position but even so, seemingly SAF goes by general CM positions with more versatility)
Majority if not all of the promising German and Spanish outfield players , and because of how these Int teams perform in the euros - it usually ends Uup being these players, have according to the media always destined to end up in Spain. SAF has continued to try and buy most of the upcoming Brit talent (and now junior level rules have changed Utd, like everyone else, can buy country wide again) while also looking further afield to South America and Brazil mainly
Time for a scowling face Matt Mills is going on loan to Leeds for the rest of the season after being dropped by Pearson (apparently being on 40k a week in the champ isn't realistic of his ability) 
http://www.thisisleicestershire.co....tt-Mills-set/story-15317214-detail/story.html
Not fair! He was rubbish when we went to Leicester (against Lambert) but the home game he was towering over our strikers (Lambert banned for that game) and put a decent game away. Second fairly decent player in the champ we have to play 3 times (Maynard being the other)
http://www.thisisleicestershire.co....tt-Mills-set/story-15317214-detail/story.html
Not fair! He was rubbish when we went to Leicester (against Lambert) but the home game he was towering over our strikers (Lambert banned for that game) and put a decent game away. Second fairly decent player in the champ we have to play 3 times
(Maynard being the other)
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Still won't believe it until he's in a Leeds shirt and considering he's on a wage bigger than our squad put together what could we off in terms of contributions? 1%?
I miss games like that being a Villa supporter
Sorry state of affairs to see us almost battling relegation & drawing with Wigan :/
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What i said is true though, you might attribute all this to injuries but they aren't to blame.
Our first teams used to.pick themselves, the players were so good. Maybe one or two positions vying occasionally.
Now, i don't even know who should be playing out of park, young, valencia, nani. Not because they are all amazing - no that's not the problem. They are all too average. Pick our starting midrfield it could be literally any 4 of about 10 players. The good ones barely stand out from the better than average in and amongst our squad.
Same up front. We have 1 great player and 3 good ones.
The level of quality has reduced through a combination of great players getting older and the new ones not being as great as the ones they replaced..we've been spoilt in a way through previous quality but now it seems we have more quantity than quality.
Our first teams used to.pick themselves, the players were so good. Maybe one or two positions vying occasionally.
Now, i don't even know who should be playing out of park, young, valencia, nani. Not because they are all amazing - no that's not the problem. They are all too average. Pick our starting midrfield it could be literally any 4 of about 10 players. The good ones barely stand out from the better than average in and amongst our squad.
Same up front. We have 1 great player and 3 good ones.
The level of quality has reduced through a combination of great players getting older and the new ones not being as great as the ones they replaced..we've been spoilt in a way through previous quality but now it seems we have more quantity than quality.
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Arsenal to offer RVP £150k a week according to the Daily Fail...i personally dont think RVP is that money minded, id hazard a guess that he wants to see what Arsenal and Wenger are going to do about winning some trophies next season as this season is another trophy less season.
As ive said before, i think its better if we got rid of some of our deadwood players and got some new decent players in that know how to win games whether they be tough or easy games. Far too many times in the past we have dropped points against teams that we should be beating easily ie Fulham and Swansea are 2 recent games we should have won really in fairness.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...in-Van-Persies-150-000-week-stay-Arsenal.html
As ive said before, i think its better if we got rid of some of our deadwood players and got some new decent players in that know how to win games whether they be tough or easy games. Far too many times in the past we have dropped points against teams that we should be beating easily ie Fulham and Swansea are 2 recent games we should have won really in fairness.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...in-Van-Persies-150-000-week-stay-Arsenal.html
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The only team or teams in the EPL that will pay him over £150k a week are City and perhaps Chelsea...otherwise looking at the continent, you would definitely have Real and Barca paying a silly amount of wages for him....not 110% sure on Barca as last i heard they havent got a lot of money to splash anymore.
I hope he stays at Arsenal tbh but if he leaves due to our lack of competitiveness then i dont blame him in the slightest...a guy of his talent should be winning trophies yr in yr out.
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