Summer Transfer Window 2013/2014 aka Arsenal , we can afford folks and the mancs really want Fellani

[bloodline76]

I did mean in the past, he was apparently looking for 8mil + over the past 3 years which is why he ended up on loan at Sunderland, then on loan at Juve, because rather than move him on, Wenger decides "I won't play him, but he's worth X amount and I won't just let him leave for less", so we have these guys hang around for ages being unused by Wenger.

I think Bendtner has genuine quality, he was one of the single most effective attackers in the Euro's, showing precisely what his best role is, which is get the ball, hold it up, play it into those running forwards then get towards the goal and get on the end of crosses or just force defenders to mark. He's not as good as Muller, at all, but he plays a very very similar way, full of movement, full of hardwork, was effective playing on the wing and putting in defensive work which you wouldn't expect from players of those guys size. Neither are players you expect to do anyone for pace(most of the time) or do tricks and step overs, but they just know where to be and when and pop up with crucial passes, goals.

Chamakh is a significantly worse version of the same kind of player, who was plenty effective when in the team, then not used at all. Some of not being able to get rid of these players is wages, but mostly its Wenger's asking fee, other clubs would push players that aren't used out the door for a couple mil to free up the wages... Wenger is a deluded moron. Arshavin, for a player of his quality is on a wage that dozens of European teams would match, but Wenger wanted too much for a transfer fee.

Chamakh was really one of the only guys Wenger wanted to move on whose wages wouldn't be matched elsewhere because he got "free transfer" wages and really isn't good enough for anything near them. Bendtner is on lower wages that weren't really a problem, transfer fee was the hold up, Arshavin is genuine quality, and on a pretty low wage for that kind of player, transfer fee again. Actually Denilson counts as both, higher wage and Wenger was asking for money WAY beyond what he was worth. Diaby, Rosicky and co don't count as Wenger uses them when he can and clearly doesn't want to get rid of them, should he try I'd imagine he'd want more than anyone would pay for Diaby and he's on higher wages than anyone else was willing to go.

I agree I would have liked for Bendtner to have got another shot with Arsenal and with all the high profile strikers gone I believe he could have made a go of it. If he gets first team football at a pretty good club I expect he will do well.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Well since i seen him at Euro 2012 i thought he had done really well. Just needs a team that suits his game and im sure he would be a decent player.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Juve was a bad fit though I see why he went there, they were buying strikers left right and centre and I think when he started negotiating they probably had 2 less strikers than when he signed, but because the whole thing was so dragged out, because of the Euro's and because supposedly a few full transfers fell through he ended up with no preseason joining a club with too many strikers. he didn't get a chance to start till closer to xmas then got a season ending(pretty much) injury.

He should have picked a smaller club, if he went kinda midtable La liga or Serie A he'd have been first team and I think 1-2 full seasons of playing most weeks he'll be back to his best and he'll get a move to a bigger team.

As with Vela, who wasn't bad when he started at Sociedad, but took 2-3 months at least to start looking really sharp after basically not playing at all for 2 years, I expect similar from Bendtner and I'm happy to see him get a proper chance elsewhere. More than good enough for an Arsenal rotation player, we just have this thing about not actually rotating properly at all.

Thing is if we did buy someone like Higuain, which I don't see as particularly likely, then what would happen to Giroud, he would be like the 15th striker we buy who gets used for half a season then ignored till his contract runs out, or maybe we'll use him as a winger.

What I'd give to buy an actual winger to play on the wing, and a top notch striker(good, don't care about price of previous experience) and play him upfront as a striker, maybe even a DM to play as a DM, rather than Wilshire then Arteta who have been the DM's in the past 3 seasons, both excellent at it, but not being used to their best at all.

 

[No1newts]

Rather than making a new thread I'll ask in here.

Am I the only one who thinks Bale is nowhere near worth the insane 65mill transfer fee he's being touted for?

He's good, but he's no Ronaldo or Messi and 65mill is insane!

 

[grimm]

Rather than making a new thread I'll ask in here.

Am I the only one who thinks Bale is nowhere near worth the insane 65mill transfer fee he's being touted for?

He's good, but he's no Ronaldo or Messi and 65mill is insane!

We've had this discussion before. I think that CM is the only one who believes that price tag is justified lol.

 

[Stewy]

but £65m is his market value...

 

[Pigeon_Killer]

He's on his way to justifying that type figure if you look at his last two seasons and compare them to Ronaldo prior to the season he hit 40 goals but he needs to improve the same amount Ronaldo did and become a real world beater first.

 

[Bucket]

He will most likely go for a very high price that Spurs fans will then try and justify that he's anywhere near as good as Ronaldo/Messi.

When he really isn't at all.

 

[Trusty]

He's 23 and showing he's as good as Messi or Ronaldo on the ball. I assume it's that which is dictating his value at the mo.

 

[Bucket]

He's 23 and showing he's as good as Messi or Ronaldo on the ball. I assume it's that which is dictating his value at the mo.

No, it's his form that's dictating his value.

If he dropped off next season and scored just 10 goals, he wouldn't be valued anywhere near the same.

Whilst he's had a very solid season it remains to be seen if he can keep it up or improve on it. Plenty of players have had wonder seasons and then gone back to just doing OK each season.

EDIT: Not saying I wouldn't like him in our team, by the way. Just that the price and comparisons to Ronaldo/Messi are more than slightly OTT.

 

[Mark1989]

Suarez been doing more silly media comments its getting annoying now, he should just hand in a request and should we get a big offer consider it

 

[nemtizz]

Some rumour going round saying Cabaye had agreed terms with Mobaco for a 25mill move, probably BS though.

You knew with Pardew still in charge he'd eventually leave, although The Independent are saying we haven't received any offers. Still, a 21M profit isn't the end of the world.

 

[shipinabottle]

Bale hasn't even had a wonder season, he had a good one. That's why it's stupid that he's valued at 65 million.

Nobody in their right mind would consider him in the same class as Messi or even Ronaldo, he has the potential, but no, he's nowhere close to that yet. Messi is arguably the greatest player to ever grace a pitch, you can **** off if you think Gareth Bale is even orbiting the same star.

 

[grimm]

Didn't Ronaldo have a 30 goal season or something just before he went for £80m?

 

[cm1179]

bale justifies that price tag because that's football. he will only get better and has been getting better for 3 seasons and he's not even in his physical prime. there's no point comparing him to messi, totally different players, however, the similarities between him and ronaldo should be blatantly obvious to anyone but the haters.

rumours of paulinho to spurs now growing as his agent is apparently in london now. watch him go to chelsea

 

[shipinabottle]

Didn't Ronaldo have a 30 goal season or something just before he went for £80m?

23 - 42 - 26 his last 3 seasons.

The 42 season was the same age as Gareth Bale is now 23.

So 12 - 26 - null, if we're following it.

I can't see Bale scoring close to 40, he's a talent, but the premier league will be tougher next year.

I like Bale, he's a good footballer, but putting him up there just isn't right after 1 season when the standard of the PL was relatively poor.

 

[cm1179]

but it's not just one season? i don't understand why people think that this is bales only good season? it's his best and his standout season

this was 2010 when he was still wearing the number 3 shirt and an out an out winger. since then, he has progressively drifted inside more. this is why he scores and stands out more but he's just as effective on the wing and would have had a lot more assists from this position, had our strikers had a clue.

 

[FrankJH]

I can't see Bale scoring close to 40, he's a talent, but the premier league will be tougher next year.

Not sure why right now the EPL will be tougher

Last summer with all their young signings everyone expected Chelsea to be up with Utd and City at the end, and it turned out they dropped off drastically (as did City)

City and Chelsea are probably likely to spend £80-100m each, with Moyes more than likely spending less (as to how much, that's anyone's guess at this point)

All three changed managers - so they all are equally likely at this point to challenge right up to May for the title.

As for Bale, in a better team and with added consistency on his side he could get 35+ next season (depending on your definition of "close"). His age is a big factor in bringing that price tag up even without considering that Spurs do not need to sell (which should bump any transfer up even further)

 

[grimm]

Last season was his best by far though. The couple of seasons before that he was simply an up and coming talent who had a few blinding games, a few good games, and the rest pretty mediocre. You could say the same thing about players like Mata, does that mean that he's suddenly worth £65m?

If every player that has had a good season suddenly becomes worth £65-80m then the transfer market is going to start getting even more stupid than it is now.

Saying all of the above, I actually hope that Bale stays at Spurs, or at least in England.

 

[cm1179]

mata is an awesome player, i'm not denying that but bale is something else. stats wise, there's probably not much between them but as a package bale's stock is higher.