Summer Transfer Window 2013/2014 aka Arsenal , we can afford folks and the mancs really want Fellani

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Bale isn't a goal scorer, it's got nothing to do with the opposition or the strength of the PL its the fact he doesn't have that goalscorer's knack of being a tap in artist, that's what's made Ronaldo the complete player he is; he can do all the flashy stuff but when it really matters he's just as capable of doing the ugly stuff as well
 
I'm not sure why Bale and Ronaldo are even being compared when they are pretty far apart.

The distance between Ronaldo and Messi isn't as dramatic as people make out either, they could both arguably be deemed the best player with just as many reasons for/against each.

I don't know why I'm even typing though, to be honest, because I know the dribble that cm will respond with.
 
shipinabottle said:
23 - 42 - 26 his last 3 seasons.

The 42 season was the same age as Gareth Bale is now 23.

So 12 - 26 - null, if we're following it.

I can't see Bale scoring close to 40, he's a talent, but the premier league will be tougher next year.
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I think you've got to consider the teams they were in and the roles they played.

While Ronaldo was generally positioned wide, Manchester United were playing counter-attacking football at a frightening and devastating speed, with Rooney and Ronaldo running through the centre on those attacks.

Bale, based on the latter half of last season, was surrounded by a bunch of muppets playing in a completely different way, having to wander around just to see the ball. That he scored as many as he did in that team is in my opinion quite a feat.

I think if Bale had been in that Man United team, with Ronaldo and Bale either side of Rooney, Bale wouldn't have been far off Ronaldo at all.
 
So Paulinho has scored, that's Spurs' hopes of signing him dashed as his price has probably gone up another couple of million.
 
this_is_gav said:
I think if Bale had been in that Man United team, with Ronaldo and Bale either side of Rooney, Bale wouldn't have been far off Ronaldo at all.
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And if Ronaldo had been playing during a period where the League was as bad as it is now, he'd have scored far more.

The standard of defending in the PL right now is generally terrible. It's frightening to think how many goals Ronaldo and Messi would score over here.

edit: and in actual transfer news. Tariq Panja from bloomberg's reporting that Ian Ayre cancelled a business trip to Brazil to try and complete a deal for Henrikh Mkhitaryan which is pretty exciting.
 
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With Bale, he's had two seasons, and CM, I know you love saying this isn't his only great season, but it was. There is a difference between improving and being a great season. 20+ goals is generally indicative of a very good season, 30+ is great and 40+ is outstanding.

65mil + is finished article pricing, 25-30mil is what he might be worth today, you add to the 25-30mil based on his chance of being the next Ronaldo, and considering the number of guys who score 25goals one season, then never break 20 again hugely, hugely outweighs the number who stay above 20 a season and the number who go on to score 40+ a season is so utterly miniscule, that factors into the price. 40mil is WAY too much for Bale as yet on a single 20+ season. Ronaldo's cost was because he'd proven a huge goal scorer, beaten the 40 goal mark in a season AND still had potential to be even better. I'd say without hyperbole that 99%+ of players who manage a season with over 20 goals don't go on to become 40+ goal a season players, and a pretty small number 5-10% manage to be 20-30goals a season consistently.

I think one more season over 20goals would make him a smaller risk and increase his value, but it would take a 40+ goal season to warrant a 65+mil price. You can currently buy better goal scorers for less cash, RVP was 23mil and outscored him again. Cavani, Falcao, all have outscored Bale and have done it season on season for multiple seasons.

Lets also point out that he scored a significant number of VERY similar goals, in a way that defenders will be on the look out for, and keepers and midfielders. He may not have been considered the biggest risk last year for Spurs, this year he will be(dependant on which strikers they buy) and as such people will target him, fouls, physical play and simply looking for how/when he likes to shoot and putting men in the way. There is a reason that strikers who have a break out season then get targetted by the opposition(fairly and unfairly) and many/most go on to have worse seasons.
 
I think there is too much talk about comparing Bale's price with how many goals he is capable of scoring a season. I don't think prospective buyers are looking at him and thinking of just how many goals he has scored a season, that's a pretty narrow view of what to look for in a player.
 
J-FRO said:
I think there is too much talk about comparing Bale's price with how many goals he is capable of scoring a season. I don't think prospective buyers are looking at him and thinking of just how many goals he has scored a season, that's a pretty narrow view of what to look for in a player.
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I agree with you.

I think Bale's main selling point would be the amount of crucial goals he scores. He scores when the pressure is on, and no one else seems to have it in them to step up.
 
^ his goal on the last day was sublime, there was such a feeling of inevitability about it as well as soon as he had shifted on to his left foot.

Still have no idea why teams don't double mark him out of the game like (iirc) Chelsea did? Spurs had (have?) few other genuine attacking threats so sparing an extra man in defence to make sure he has to use his right doesn't seem to be rocket science...?
 
drunkenmaster said:
but it would take a 40+ goal season to warrant a 65+mil price. You can currently buy better goal scorers for less cash, RVP was 23mil and outscored him again. .
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RVP is 6 years older, was in the last year of his contract, is a striker and plays for the pl champions.

clubs wont be looking at bale purely expecting 20+ goals a season. he isn't a striker but his power and accuracy is top.

 
Zinedine Zidane says Gareth Bale should tell Tottenham Hotspur that he wants to leave if he feels it is the right time to move on

The Welshman has been linked with a big-money switch this summer after a sparkling Premier League campaign when he was crowned Player of the Year.

Real Madrid are interested in signing Bale and Zidane, sporting director at the Santiago Bernabeu, has reiterated that they would not be afraid to spend heavily to secure his services.

But the Frenchman also thinks that Bale could speed up the process by speaking to his club bosses and requesting a departure.

"I think Real Madrid have made their admiration of Gareth Bale very clear - and it has been made clear that we would not be put off by the cost of the player," Zidane told the Sunday People.

"But if Gareth feels now is the time to move then he has to have a private discussion with his club and express that he wants to leave."

Tottenham's failure to qualify for the UEFA Champions League increased the speculation about Bale's future and his agent recently refused to rule out a move to Spain.

However, Bale has always been quick to declare how happy he is at White Hart Lane and has previously spoken of how much he enjoyed playing under Andre Villas-Boas last term.
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http://www1.skysports.com/football/...e-urges-Gareth-Bale-to-ask-Tottenham-for-move

I thought tapping up wasn't allowed, bit cheap from Real Madrid tbh. :|
 
Azza said:
They, meaning Zidane, has been talking since the season ended.
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And before that too I think, if they're prepared to pay then I think he'll go there. £80m+ just seems a bit ridiculous though, I'd give him another season before paying that kind of sum were it up to me.
 
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