Summer Transfer Window 2013/2014 aka Arsenal , we can afford folks and the mancs really want Fellani

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Latest on Thiago (again from Graham Hunter) is that the player wants to sign, his father spent the end of last week in Manchester talking with the club and all that's left to do is formally tell Barca he wants to leave. Barca though are still hoping to convince him to stay.

I would say if that's all accurate then we should know by the end of the week what's going to happen one way or the other (going to be a long week of F5 pushing probably ending in disappointment)
 
Along side Lucas, in a CM role. He is the drive, the engine room of the team who can burst from deep into the box (which is did with great effect 2nd half of the season). I think he was our highest scoring midfielder from open play post xmas, he has goals in his game.

As I said, neither Dalglish nor Rodgers have felt comfortable playing him there - you have to ask yourself why. I can't see that changing. Also it's safe to say that Gerrard will still be one of the first names on the teamsheet.

Yes Henderson scored a few goals in the 2nd half of the season but he's not a 15+ goal a season player. If we're looking at signing Mkhitaryan (who is a goalscoring midfielder) then Henderson's opportunities are going to be limited.

Keep him, I don't think its a coincidence our worst performances came when he wasn't playing.

Our worst performances came when we were overrun in midfield which Henderson helped address but so would the addition of a Mascherano type DM and he'd do it without having to sacrifice one of the front 4 positions.

Whether you, me or anybody likes it, Henderson won't be a regular in our side, certainly not in one of the two deeper CM positions. We need energy in our midfield and the answer last season was playing Henderson either just in front of the midfield or tucked in on the left - it was a compromise though. He does ok in an attacking sense but he's not a natural attacking player.

I mentioned in the banter thread that I'd have Mascherano back in a heart beat. We're crying out for him or somebody similar to him. If you said to me that by selling Henderson we could get him or somebody like him, I'd sell Henderson without hesitation. Obviously if we could ship out Shelvey and/or Downing instead then great but we might not be able to.
nah, he was average at best for the 1st few games

Not having that at all. Allen was excellent in the first few months.
 
Not that it counts for much but my opinion on Henderson and Allen are similar to Baz, I don't think Henderson is a world star in the making, but he's come on since last season and I think he's young and has obvious talent, he's just not first choice at the minute but would be good to keep around to help 'pad out' the midfield so to speak.

Allen is the Welsh Xavi :D :p, he's a great recycler of the ball (is that a thing?) I think he started well and faded a bit, but I think again, he's a very handy player to keep at the club, if just to throw on to be a safe option to see a game out if he can recapture the form at the start of his move.
 
I'm not a fan of Allen at all really, but the first few months he was pretty decent, he looks a useless nervous wreck now when the ball is near him.

I'd be interested in seeing him get another season or two, obviously rotating in and out in smaller games. He can and will improve, and if he's able to learn could still be a good player. If he goes I won't be upset though.
 
Who is available on a free transfer after his contract with CSKA has expired? Surprised half the EPL hasn't phoned his agent! He was great in the Confed cup I thought?

As am I. With all the talk of a lack of bargains on the transfer market, Keisuke Honda on a free just seems like golddust to me, I'm very surprised that nobody is banging down his door.
 
without having to sacrifice one of the front 4 positions

That's it though, in the losses we suffered the front 4 weren't altered due to taking Henderson out, it was a like for like switch with Allen coming in and not offering any energy, having the touch of a rapist and not being able to pass the ball (the Southampton loss springs to mind as a case in point).

I'll ask the same question of you that you asked me, where do you see Allen playing with a midfield of Gerrard & Lucas?

What do people think was Allen's best game?

On the Mkhitaryan thing, last I heard there was 3rd party ownership issues, although a dude on twitter seems certain he'll sign for us
 
I always felt that Hendo would be the eventual successor to Stevie, but then I thought Robbie keane was going to help us win the league :p

Allen is too small,lightweight and is just an expensive Spearing with a smidge of passing ability.
 
Transfer gossip:

Manchester United are preparing to make a record-breaking £50m move for 26-year-old Napoli striker Edinson Cavani.

Then:

Napoli's official radio station Radio Marte has claimed a £49.3m deal had been struck with Chelsea for striker Edinson Cavani.
 
I believe that report linking us to Cavani originated from the Mirror. No chance of us being in for him imo
 
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That's it though, in the losses we suffered the front 4 weren't altered due to taking Henderson out, it was a like for like switch with Allen coming in and not offering any energy, having the touch of a rapist and not being able to pass the ball (the Southampton loss springs to mind as a case in point).

I'll ask the same question of you that you asked me, where do you see Allen playing with a midfield of Gerrard & Lucas?

What do people think was Allen's best game?

On the Mkhitaryan thing, last I heard there was 3rd party ownership issues, although a dude on twitter seems certain he'll sign for us

I don't understand the first point. As I said, we got overrun in midfield too easily and that was addressed (to a point) by Henderson playing in one of the front 4 positions. By doing that we lost something in attack.

I don't see Allen as a certain starter. He'll provide competition/cover for the 2 deeper CM roles. Something which I can't see Henderson doing - 2 successive managers have refused to play him there and you have to ask yourself why. You can sit there and be stubborn, saying that he should play in midfield but it's not going to happen - I'm not sure what you're basing your argument on either seeing as he's barely played a game there for us since he joined.

Also, in an ideal world, I don't see Lucas as a certain starter either. In a 4-2-3-1, with Gerrard most likely being one of the 2, we need a more physical, powerful defensive midfielder which is why I raised the question about whether you'd sell Henderson to pay for one.

He wouldn't be the first player I would sell to fund a move for a DM but he's expendable. It's clear that Rodgers (Dalglish didn't either) doesn't see him as an option in one of the 2 deeper CM roles and his opportunities in other roles have been marginalised by the arrival of Aspas and Alberto. Mkhitaryan would be the killer though - he'd do the exact same job that Henderson did (both tucked in on one of the wings or off the front) but he'd provide a genuine attacking threat too. He'd provide the energy and extra legs in midfield without having to sacrifice anything in attack.
 
any chelsea fans got any opinion on whether the cavani to chelsea rumour holds any weight?

surely that means curtain for torres and probably you walking the title :mad:
 
today's least surprising news, Carlo Ancelotti appointed Real Madrid manager: BBC

inane tabloid rumours of Real to "raid" PSG and Chelsea to follow shortly.
 
Who would Real want? Ibra would do a job but he's 32 and probably would demand 300k a week and PSG would want 20m+?
Silva again would cost loads, Verratti, Lavezzi, Menez and Pastore other possibilities but they're not going to win La Liga for them.
 
I don't understand the first point. As I said, we got overrun in midfield too easily and that was addressed (to a point) by Henderson playing in one of the front 4 positions. By doing that we lost something in attack.

Not that hard to understand is it, when Allen (or a.n.other) came in for him in the losses 2nd half of the season we were no where near as fluid in attack or compact in midfield.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by saying we lose something in attack when he plays? We scored around 30 more goals last season opposed to Kenny's season. We were also a darn sight more attack minded when he was in there providing the legs in midfield and was our highest scoring midfielder from open play and only behind Suarez, Sturridge and Coutinho (all arguably given more licence to attack).


I don't see Allen as a certain starter. He'll provide competition/cover for the 2 deeper CM roles. Something which I can't see Henderson doing - 2 successive managers have refused to play him there and you have to ask yourself why. You can sit there and be stubborn, saying that he should play in midfield but it's not going to happen - I'm not sure what you're basing your argument on either seeing as he's barely played a game there for us since he joined.

Well, I wouldn't use Kenny as an arguement for anything (:eek:) this was the guy that prefered Adam in CM :p It's also well known that BR wanted Henderson out before he had even seen him play (didn't he nearly sign for Fulham for 4 million or something).

Also, in an ideal world, I don't see Lucas as a certain starter either. In a 4-2-3-1, with Gerrard most likely being one of the 2, we need a more physical, powerful defensive midfielder which is why I raised the question about whether you'd sell Henderson to pay for one.

I don't think any of us can say for certain who will be a definite starter for us at the moment, there is far too much in the air regarding our '1st 11'. I think it hinges on what happens with Suarez -it wouldn't surpise me if we had an home team/style of play & an away team/style of play.

He wouldn't be the first player I would sell to fund a move for a DM but he's expendable. It's clear that Rodgers (Dalglish didn't either) doesn't see him as an option in one of the 2 deeper CM roles and his opportunities in other roles have been marginalised by the arrival of Aspas and Alberto. Mkhitaryan would be the killer though - he'd do the exact same job that Henderson did (both tucked in on one of the wings or off the front) but he'd provide a genuine attacking threat too. He'd provide the energy and extra legs in midfield without having to sacrifice anything in attack.

I'd say Mkhitaryan is more a replacement for Downing or even Suarez at a long shot, with Sturridge becoming the main focual point of the attack:

---------Sturridge---------
Coutinho----------Mkhitaryan

I would also not play to much into 2 deeper CM's like we did last season as BR has gone on record as saying he prefers a 1|2 situation in midfield rather than 2|1 we did last year (mind you BR has also stated he sees Allen as the furthest forward of the midfield 3). Bear in mind this was the start of last season when we thought we would get "sterile domination" rather than the counterattacking team we evolved into.

Lastly, I could see us going nuts and playing 3 at the back on occasion (Gerrard as a Lothar Matthaus'esque sweeper):

--------Mignolet--------
----CB---Agger---CB----
--------Gerrard--------
-----Lucas---Hendersen-----
Alberto-Mkhitaryan-Coutinho
---------Sturridge----------

Yeah! lets go Champ Manager styleee :D

(apologies for the long windedness and not really having much to do with the sub-forum)
 
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