Summer Transfer Window 2017/18 - Rumours & Signings

If you do indeed sign Matic (or another) and have him and Herrera in the side, there's an emphasis on Pogba to score more but I can't see him scoring the 15+ goals you'd like him to score from an advanced midfield role. It's just not part of his game - he likes to get on the ball and play rather than break into the box. I'm not sure who it was but I think someone on here said a midfield 3 of Matic, Herrera and Pogba was very well balanced but I disagree. It lacks goals. As a 3 you wouldn't be confident in betting that they'd score more than 15 goals between them.

For most managers, I think as soon as you sign a proper DM, Herrera would become a problem. He done well last season but his role was half defensive, half getting on the ball but as soon as you have Matic doing the defensive work and already have Pogba getting on the ball he's almost surplus to requirements. Mourinho won't mind having that little extra defensive cover by having Herrera alongside a Matic though but with Pogba not being a prolific goalscorer (as above he's not likely to score the 20 odd goals a Lampard did anyway) you really need your wide players scoring 30 odd goals between them.

You'd hope that Miki would score a few more than last season but you need at least another scoring decent numbers too. Despite the fact that I'm sure Mourinho will play him there, Rashford didn't look nearly as effective playing wide as he did centrally and there's question marks over the future of Martial and to an extent Mata (last season felt like a marriage of convenience than Mourinho wanting him).
 
Robbo said:
Are people forgetting he only scored 4 goals less than Kane in a far inferior team? He played more than Kane but that's good as we don't want an injury prone striker.



I think it's very hit and miss.
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Kane played 731 mins less than Lukaku. That's over 8 whole games. Not an insignificant amount if Lukaku was 'only' 4 goals behind.
 
BaZ87 said:
If you do indeed sign Matic (or another) and have him and Herrera in the side, there's an emphasis on Pogba to score more but I can't see him scoring the 15+ goals you'd like him to score from an advanced midfield role. It's just not part of his game - he likes to get on the ball and play rather than break into the box. I'm not sure who it was but I think someone on here said a midfield 3 of Matic, Herrera and Pogba was very well balanced but I disagree. It lacks goals. As a 3 you wouldn't be confident in betting that they'd score more than 15 goals between them.

For most managers, I think as soon as you sign a proper DM, Herrera would become a problem. He done well last season but his role was half defensive, half getting on the ball but as soon as you have Matic doing the defensive work and already have Pogba getting on the ball he's almost surplus to requirements. Mourinho won't mind having that little extra defensive cover by having Herrera alongside a Matic though but with Pogba not being a prolific goalscorer (as above he's not likely to score the 20 odd goals a Lampard did anyway) you really need your wide players scoring 30 odd goals between them.

You'd hope that Miki would score a few more than last season but you need at least another scoring decent numbers too. Despite the fact that I'm sure Mourinho will play him there, Rashford didn't look nearly as effective playing wide as he did centrally and there's question marks over the future of Martial and to an extent Mata (last season felt like a marriage of convenience than Mourinho wanting him).
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Stop using your Jedi Mind tricks, agree with all of that :)
 
BaZ87 said:
If you do indeed sign Matic (or another) and have him and Herrera in the side, there's an emphasis on Pogba to score more but I can't see him scoring the 15+ goals you'd like him to score from an advanced midfield role. It's just not part of his game - he likes to get on the ball and play rather than break into the box. I'm not sure who it was but I think someone on here said a midfield 3 of Matic, Herrera and Pogba was very well balanced but I disagree. It lacks goals. As a 3 you wouldn't be confident in betting that they'd score more than 15 goals between them.

For most managers, I think as soon as you sign a proper DM, Herrera would become a problem. He done well last season but his role was half defensive, half getting on the ball but as soon as you have Matic doing the defensive work and already have Pogba getting on the ball he's almost surplus to requirements. Mourinho won't mind having that little extra defensive cover by having Herrera alongside a Matic though but with Pogba not being a prolific goalscorer (as above he's not likely to score the 20 odd goals a Lampard did anyway) you really need your wide players scoring 30 odd goals between them.

You'd hope that Miki would score a few more than last season but you need at least another scoring decent numbers too. Despite the fact that I'm sure Mourinho will play him there, Rashford didn't look nearly as effective playing wide as he did centrally and there's question marks over the future of Martial and to an extent Mata (last season felt like a marriage of convenience than Mourinho wanting him).
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Just change the formation or something. 4-4-2 diamond. Lukaku & Martial/Rashford upfront
 
Stumble Bum said:
Kane played 731 mins less than Lukaku. That's over 8 whole games. Not an insignificant amount if Lukaku was 'only' 4 goals behind.
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And Tottenham are a free scoring and much better team that Everton. Stick Ronaldo in Birminghams team and he would still score goals but probably not even half of the goals he puts away at RM. Thats where these arguments about not scoring against the big teams fall down a little. He may struggle at United against the big teams but you can't say thats the case until he is playing for a team that will actually create chances for him against them. When you are under the kosh for 80 minutes of a games its harder to score than when you are dominating the game.
 
Looks like the Ruben Neves deal to Wolves is done (between 16 and 17 million) but the club have said not to expect any significant announcements today due to the bad news yesterday of Carl Ikeme being diagnosed with acute leukaemia
 
fez said:
And Tottenham are a free scoring and much better team that Everton. Stick Ronaldo in Birminghams team and he would still score goals but probably not even half of the goals he puts away at RM. Thats where these arguments about not scoring against the big teams fall down a little. He may struggle at United against the big teams but you can't say thats the case until he is playing for a team that will actually create chances for him against them. When you are under the kosh for 80 minutes of a games its harder to score than when you are dominating the game.
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Exactly. If you make a list of the best strikers who are transferable, Lukaku is pretty much at the top of it. We looked at this a few weeks ago in this thread, there's really not a lot to pick from, so you'd have to gamble on younger strikers.

Lukaku is very good, still fairly young and can improve further.

I think another factor is that he's best mates with Pogba, and we should be building the team around the latter, so I hope they'll link up well. Both big, powerful players which Mourinho always favours too.

Medical going ahead imminently in the States, apparently. Surely if that's true there should be an announcement soon.
 
Would be really nice if Man Utd transfers could just be decisive for once rather than these long, protracted processes. But I guess that's down to any selling team looking to rinse us to within an inch of our lives.
 
United need to start stringing transfers that they don't care about out until the end of the window and then just telling the other team to **** off. They would soon realise that they need to deal with us like any other team rather than trying to fleece us.
 
Moses said:
Great way to build relationships and a reputation amongst players, clubs, and agents :).
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If clubs want to take the **** with the amount they demand then I don't see how they deserve any less. You can't complain if you rob someone and they punch you in the face. At the end of the day clubs want to get as much as they can for their players and probably don't give a single **** who pays that money as long as they are the highest bidder. Relationships in football are overplayed massively.
 
BaZ87 said:
With other clubs maybe but if you start messing players and agents about then that will come back to bite you on the arse.
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Perhaps. On the other hand it might stop the club that currently has the player contracted from overvaluing their assets. I guess its probably not actually that big an issue. It probably isn't a huge amount of work to get a deal to the point where you are 95% sure its happening. Its that last 5% that is tricky and takes the time. As they say, it takes two to argue.
 
We need rid of Woodward, he's clearly garbage at negotiating deals. Anyone with half a brain can throw millions at agents but it's clear Woodward can't get deals done in a timely fashion. I dread to think of the players we've missed out on thanks to that clown.
 
That's very harsh, the reality is that we don't really know the inner workings of these deals. The vast majority of it is all driven by the press. I think Woodward has done reasonably well.

There are very few reasonable transfer deals anymore, for any Premier League club especially.
 
Spikey said:
We need rid of Woodward, he's clearly garbage at negotiating deals. Anyone with half a brain can throw millions at agents but it's clear Woodward can't get deals done in a timely fashion. I dread to think of the players we've missed out on thanks to that clown.
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If you find out about the transfer dealings of nearly every big club you will find out that they have missed out on some of the best players in the world for trivial reason and they have hijacked deals other teams looked certain to complete. Fergie missed out on a lot of top players that he thought he was signing. Ronaldinho was very nearly a United player for example.
 
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