Summer Transfer Window 2017/18 - Rumours & Signings
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Sooner that's confirmed the better.
Really happy with Lukaku signing. All I remember last season is him winning Everton a number of points single handedly.
Matched the fee but not the offer to Raiola. That's the story anyway:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...nchester-uniteds-offer-romelu-lukaku-leaving/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...nchester-uniteds-offer-romelu-lukaku-leaving/
The money in the EPL is so gigantic, does it really matter?
Im not disputing at all that Riola has made a ******* load of money out of Utd, thats obviously true, but the EPL is even more a printing cash machine than Utd are , and thats saying something (considering how un-successful Utd have been over the last 4 years or so on the pitch yet have the biggest turnover in the world)
At the end of the day if anyone is nigh on a gaurentee of 20+ goals a season its Lukaku over the last 4 or 5 years, and he is still only 24. Even if he signs a 5 year deal he will still only be near his peak when he renews (let alone when the new one ends)
Transfer fees are stupid in aabout 90% of cases now, from youngsters with virtually no top level experience from Portugal costing £30-£40m to subs not getting games being insisted @ £80m - really all the moeny floating around and sums being asked for is not quantifiable really
On a slightly related , but also completely seperate subject - how the **** are Pogba and Lukaku such good friends . They have never plaid club football together, and they arent International colleagues (like Pogba and Griezmann which makes sense they are good friends).
Are Lukaku and Pogba just such good friends because of Riola being their agent? It just seems a bit of a tenious reason (even with the shared holidays in the last 2- 3 years).
Obviously Chelsea can match /even beat Utd's offer of wages to Lukaku but are they willing to?
That doesnt appear to be mentioned
I remember this from the time it happened - but because of rain, really? It really doesnt matter now, history is history but that seams a little extreme even for a brazilian in the 90's potentially moving to England
I still have a problem with Woodward making SUCH a disaster of the 1st summer after Fergie left, I know Moyes as your new manager wouldnt have helped the situation in the slightest - but Woodward was still 50% responsible for the complete **** ** of that first season
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Of course it does. Everything is relative though and you have to look at how much he's been paid compared to what Utd can afford to pay - for instance if he's been paid £20m you might say that's ok but £200m wouldn't.
How much Raiola's earned was just a side point. The main point of my post was questioning how well Woodward's actually done in his job at negotiating these deals. I don't think it's too harsh to say that anyone of us could have offered Everton £75-90m for Lukaku and offer Raiola £x to persuade him to join Utd over Chelsea.
edit: Assuming tonight's stories are true and Chelsea have indeed matched Utd's offer but are refusing to pay Raiola what he's asking for, it will be interesting to see how this plays out. Again assuming it's true that Lukaku wanted to join Chelsea over Utd, it will be interesting to see just how influential agents are.
As long as its not coming out of an owner's (or family' s) pocket book - no it really doesnt matter in the slightest.
I swear to god Im not saying this because its Utd, Im literally saying this because Chelsea, City and Utd esp can afford to do it - so why not? As I said just up there if anyone (with youth on their side) is any gaurentee fo 20 + goals a season its Lukaku, and really because of the quality arouhd him he SHOULD score even more than he did at Everton. Remember also Utd already NEEDED goals to move up the table even before their top scorer got a potentially career ending injury late on. If anyone did Utd desperately needed goals adding to the team
We cant rely on the youth of Rashford and Martial so we HAVE to pay through the nose for as much of a "guarantee " as possible - and because of the Rooney situation, even if its not officially part of the deal, it makes sense to quietly talk to Everton to get it done
edit - before it was just a question of wages and the transfer fee (and add ons), and yes agent fees are becoming (or have become ) a gigantic issue. On the other hand , they work just as hard behind the scenes - why shouldnt they get paid accordingly for getting contracts signed (I can see the potential "slavery" arguement, but are they really any different to City bankers all over the world 20 - 30 years ago especially?)
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Frank, you really do confuse the life out of me sometimes. Every penny the club spends is, effectively, coming out of their pocket. You really think a club run like Utd has been over these years aren't conscious of every single penny that gets spent? The Glazers are only willing to spend now because Utd's seat at the top of the table has come under threat. All those years when Taggart had Utd in the top few positions spending was kept well and truly under control.
They were happy to pay the reported £16m to Raiola for Pogba because they thought it was worth it - they wouldn't have paid 3 times that though and they wouldn't have paid that sort of amount when signing an inferior player either. So yes, it does matter.
I wouldn't bet on it. These agents have a funny way of getting what they want and if Chelsea aren't going to pay up then you can guarantee that Raiola will be doing everything possible to push Lukaku to Utd.
Current situations then:
I'd be very surprised if anything changed now regarding Lukaku, the deal does seem to be done. Are Chelsea just showing they would be prepared to pay the same transfer fee as us? But really, agent fees are just as important these days...
I'd be very surprised if anything changed now regarding Lukaku, the deal does seem to be done. Are Chelsea just showing they would be prepared to pay the same transfer fee as us? But really, agent fees are just as important these days...
It still comes out of that clubs turnover / earnings - not Glazers own private accounts (which would be illegala / FFP etc) , thats what Im talking about
As long as THE CLUB can afford to pay those fees - they are a business, and it should be able to choose whether they spend that £16m or whatever on an agent fee for the next hot player / or failure - or on new stands, or whatever else.
It shouldnt be up to anyone else apart from the board / family / owner.
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I wouldn't bet on it. These agents have a funny way of getting what they want and if Chelsea aren't going to pay up then you can guarantee that Raiola will be doing everything possible to push Lukaku to Utd.[/QUOTE]
roman will get this done. no way he's going to let mourinho get him. not so much that he feels it will strengthen united but it's personal and united will be up **** creek if/when this falls through and with costa on his way out, it makes good sense
the only way this will fail is if lukaku chooses a lower wage and join united as chelsea will offer more. wasn't it mourinho who let lukaku go from chelsea?
I wouldn't bet on it. These agents have a funny way of getting what they want and if Chelsea aren't going to pay up then you can guarantee that Raiola will be doing everything possible to push Lukaku to Utd.[/QUOTE]
roman will get this done. no way he's going to let mourinho get him. not so much that he feels it will strengthen united but it's personal and united will be up **** creek if/when this falls through and with costa on his way out, it makes good sense
the only way this will fail is if lukaku chooses a lower wage and join united as chelsea will offer more. wasn't it mourinho who let lukaku go from chelsea?
On the pitch, totally agreed........but sponsorship wise, I would be suprised if Everton dont make a lot of money out of this deal, especially if Rooney does take the pay cut suggested
Think of how much media attention / and therefore sponsorship space newspapers / websites etc will be generated JUST by Rooney going back to his hometown club, and how many pictured of him in a new top that will include (etc etc)
Offically - and I say that on purpose - Utd can outprice Chelsea hands down
Chelsea are as much up *****'s creek if Lukaku chooses Utd, so Im not sure why that would particulatly work in Chelsea's favour (given Costa wants out , reportedly).
also - yes Everton want a bidding war, fair enough - but there is still (supposedly) a lot more animosity between Chelsea and Everton than there is between Everton and Utd
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chelsea have more financial clout than united and an owner his is far more relaxed with the purse strings. roman is cut throat, he made his billions walking all over people, you cannot change that mentality. does he even have share holders to answer to? if he wants lukaku, he'll get him. united can't out price chelsea, they'd stop when it didn't make business sense, roman wouldn't. it's as much a hobby as a business for him.
I think FFP would kick in a lot quicker / lower with Chelsea than it would with Utd - especially with Chelsea 's stadium expansion plans , they need to be even more careful