Supplements the debate/discussion thread

[Freefaller]

Multi vits are only beneficial if you have an inadequate or poor diet. Else, you'll just pee most of it away.

 

[Delvis]

Multi vits are only beneficial if you have an inadequate or poor diet. Else, you'll just pee most of it away.

True. Then again, to get all of the vitamins from a multi vit in your diet naturally would mean eating all sorts of random bits and bobs I'd have thought.

 

[Matutu]

Seriously Craze does not have any calories? really?

 

[Skillmister]

I actually don't take any tablets or vitamins at the moment, haven't done for a long time...Not sure whether to bother or not as I don't seem to have missed anything from not taking a multi vit.

True. Then again, to get all of the vitamins from a multi vit in your diet naturally would mean eating all sorts of random bits and bobs I'd have thought.

Is it even possible to contradict yourself more in 2 posts?

 

[Chong Warrior]

Nice info in gym ratz thread from steedie

Thoughts on these daily vits

Garbage mate, very poorest quality ingredients possible, throw them in the bin for maximum health benefits

 

[Chong Warrior]

Chong said the same thing - taking it before bed isn't conducive to good sleep - but can render you to Stallion mode

I haven't tried the Biotin super strength, have you had these FF? Do you rate them? I don't think much of their over-hyped products but that one does look interesting!

Strongest I've used is 4%

 

[stiv121]

Really good read steedie Spent most of last night researching vitamins and it's quite interesting how too much of one thing can counteract another!

Not been taking any Vitamin tabs for at least 6 months apart from some vitamin C. Ordered some Alpha men from MP and the response here was that people who have used them and didn't see any difference.

Here is the nutritional values...

Each 2 tablet serving provides:
5mcg (200iu) Vitamin D2 (100% RDA*), 67mg Vitamin E aTE (558% RDA*), 25mcg Vitamin K (33% RDA*), 80mg Vitamin C (100% RDA*), 12.5mg Vitamin B1 (1136% RDA*), 12.5mg Vitamin B2 (893% RDA*), 25mg Niacin NE (156% RDA*), 12.5mg Vitamin B6 (893% RDA*), 400mcg Folic Acid (200% RDA*), 125mcg Vitamin B12 (5000% RDA*), 150mcg Biotin (300% RDA*), 50mg Pantothenic Acid (833% RDA*), 25mg Potassium (1.3% RDA*), 346mg Calcium (43% RDA*), 140mg Phosphorus (20% RDA*), 50mg Magnesium (13% RDA*), 15mg Zinc (150% RDA*), 0.25mg Copper (25% RDA*), 1.5mg Manganese (75% RDA*), 80mcg Selenium (145% RDA*), 100mcg Chromium (250% RDA*), 25mcg Molybdenum (50% RDA*), 25mg Choline, 50mg Korean Ginseng Extract (10:1)(equivalent to 500mg of herb), 25.5mg Alpha Lipoic Acid, 25.5mg Royal Jelly, 25mg Citrus Bioflavanoids (providing 8.75mg Hesperidin), 20mg Kelp, 20mg Ginkgo Biloba Extract (50:1)(equivalent to 1000mg of herb), 3mg Beta Carotene (equivelant to 500mcg Vitamin A RE (62.5% RDA*)), 12.5mg Inositol, 12.5mg Bromelain, 12.5mg Lipase, 12.5mg Papain, 500mcg Boron, 2.5mg Amylase, 2.5mg Co Q10, 250mcg Lutein, 12.5mg Nettle Leaf Extract (4:1)(equivelant to 50mg of herb), 12.5mg Grape Seed Extract (50:1)(equivelant to 625mg of herb). *Recommended Daily Allowance

This would be X2 (4 tabs a day )

Do you think they are half decent steedie? Didn't cost a fortune due to the 25% off deal, 240 tabs (2 months) for £20 Magnesium and potassium seem a little low but I'll be adding more nuts into my diet if I try out CBL. I could add a banana in to bring my potassium levels up? No idea what all the herb vit's do so I'll need to look into it unless you want to point out the important ones?

 

[Delvis]

Is it even possible to contradict yourself more in 2 posts?

How so? I don't take multi vits? FF said try and get everything from natural sources, I then said in order to do that you'd have to eat a lot of varied foods each day?

 

[Chong Warrior]

Really good read steedie Spent most of last night researching vitamins and it's quite interesting how too much of one thing can counteract another!

Yes you should be aware of what vitamins and minerals work together and which inhibit absorption of the other. There's more to it than that, there are many factors to consider and it's mind boggling lol!

One thing people don't seem to be aware of is the huge difference the form of a mineral/vitamin/nutrient can make. It's ok looking at the ingredients list of a multi-vit and seeing for example:

Magnesium 300% RDA
Zinc 100% RDA

Then thinking your bases will be covered. When you look at the form of said nutrients in 90% of supplements it will read something like Magnesium Oxide, Zinc Oxide. Truth of this means you will be lucky to utilize 1% of these, meaning those RDA percentages are worthless.

This is an old thread but worth reading: All vitamin supplements are not created equal

 

[tom_e]

Seriously Craze does not have any calories? really?

Yep it's just chemicals.

 

[Syla5]

Garbage mate, very poorest quality ingredients possible, throw them in the bin for maximum health benefits

I will finish them and view going with something else. I don't like the tabs as they are large and not easy to swallow.

Are there any you would suggest?

 

[Freefaller]

True. Then again, to get all of the vitamins from a multi vit in your diet naturally would mean eating all sorts of random bits and bobs I'd have thought.

Not really. Just a good balanced diet.

 

[Chong Warrior]

I will finish them and view going with something else. I don't like the tabs as they are large and not easy to swallow.

Are there any you would suggest?

The best I've seen that doesn't have a price per weight ratio of gold, are NOW Foods ADAM Men's multi. They aren't perfect but for the money they have one of the best quality ingredients lists I've managed to find. I wish they would release a seperate version that doesn't try to be such a jack-of-all-trades but you can't have everything!

http://www.nowfoods.com/Supplements.../Vitamins/Multiple-Vitamins---Mens/078565.htm

There are 4 different versions, this is the best with the softgels (there's 2xtablets, 1x V-caps, 1x Capsules) The tablet versions are absolutely huge! Also I think the softgel version will always be a bit easier to digest and absorb than the huge compressed tablet version. There's also two versions of the tablet, one is slightly cheaper and has lower quality ingredients the other is called Superior I think.

To make them even better value I just have 1x capsule a day rather than the recommended 2-3. The strength of them makes this a great way of saving money and a bottle of 180 caps lasts 6 months

 

[Freefaller]

I haven't tried the Biotin super strength, have you had these FF? Do you rate them? I don't think much of their over-hyped products but that one does look interesting!

Strongest I've used is 4%

Not tried that particular brand - I just remember finding it. I don't think 15% is truthful - but who knows?

I prefer it in pill form as it tastes rank

 

[RoboCod]

Does anyone use Glutamine?

 

[Chong Warrior]

Not tried that particular brand - I just remember finding it. I don't think 15% is truthful - but who knows?

I prefer it in pill form as it tastes rank

I meant Biotest, not sure why I said Biotin lol

Yeah that's what I was thinking, Biotest always seem to make these claims about theirs being 10000% better than the rest

 

[Steedie]

Does anyone use Glutamine?

Yeah, it's quite expensive if you use it in the doses you're supposed to at the frequency you're supposed too. But it definitely helps recovery time

 

[stiv121]

Yes you should be aware of what vitamins and minerals work together and which inhibit absorption of the other. There's more to it than that, there are many factors to consider and it's mind boggling lol!

One thing people don't seem to be aware of is the huge difference the form of a mineral/vitamin/nutrient can make. It's ok looking at the ingredients list of a multi-vit and seeing for example:

Magnesium 300% RDA
Zinc 100% RDA

Then thinking your bases will be covered. When you look at the form of said nutrients in 90% of supplements it will read something like Magnesium Oxide, Zinc Oxide. Truth of this means you will be lucky to utilize 1% of these, meaning those RDA percentages are worthless.

This is an old thread but worth reading: All vitamin supplements are not created equal

Hmm I see I need to do more reading!

The Mp ones have magnesium oxide dc, magnesium stearate and zinc oxide so it looks like I may have to add more zinc and magnesium to my diet somehow. On you're opinion do you think I should take the MP alpha men anyway as I don't think I could send them back.

 

[Chong Warrior]

Does anyone use Glutamine?

Yes I use it when cutting the fat and on low calories. Though I only use it as I get it cheap, about £7 per KG.

I wouldn't use it for the prices I see like £20-£30 per KG.

 

[Chong Warrior]

Hmm I see I need to do more reading!

The Mp ones have magnesium oxide dc, magnesium stearate and zinc oxide so it looks like I may have to add more zinc and magnesium to my diet somehow. On you're opinion do you think I should take the MP alpha men anyway as I don't think I could send them back.

Oxides are useless cheap fillers and are a good indicator of quality for the rest of a product. If I see them then I avoid. Magnesium Stearate isn't there to provide you with that minreal, it's an additive to help with the process of making the tablets. It's a lubricant to stop the ingredients sticking together or to the machines in the factory.

It's upto you what you take, just don't think it's going to cover any kind of weakness in your diet like most people do.

This why I always say spend the money on food, you'll get much more nutrition from £20 worth of fruit and veg than a bottle of pills. I haven't taken a multi-vit for over 3 years, though I am going to get some of the ADAM's at half dose while I'm on this cut and eating low-calorie. If they're ever going to help a little, then it's when on low cal's and eating less fruit.