Supplements the debate/discussion thread

uniQ · 2 Dec 2013 at 12:21

grudas said:
what's a good replacement for peanut butter? I can't eat it I've got some random reaction where I find it harder/painful to breathe after eating anything that contains peanuts - any other nut and I'm fine.

Almond/cashew/hazelnut/pumpkin seed butter

Skunkworks · 5 Dec 2013 at 11:55

BP have just introduced Mince Pie and Cream flavoured whey

http://www.bulkpowders.co.uk/shop-b...pplements/whey-protein/pure-whey-protein.html

Steedie · 5 Dec 2013 at 12:13

You just know that's going to be terrible though

Skunkworks · 5 Dec 2013 at 12:16

You're probably right. I might just chuck a real mince pie in with my next shake to get an idea.

Nate Silvers · 5 Dec 2013 at 22:59

Vegeta said:
What's everyone's opinion on multi-vitamin pills? Do you take any? What do you use?

Well I'm vegan so I take no vitamins

. Everything you need comes from plants. All these pills, all the vitamins, they were not created for vegans. They are meat eating creations.

The only supplement I take is a B12. Last time I went for a health check my Doc told me I'm looking fit and healthy and tried to shoo me out the door. I said doc I'm a vegan and he practically pulled me back in and was like QUICK BETTER CHECK THAT B12. Came out fine.

FTR you could have a raging B12 deficiency as a meat eater and not know it because there is no propaganda about B12 as a meat eater and your doctor isn't going to check. 40% of the USA is deficient and there's only 5% vegans living there so it's not a vegan thing.

So take a B12 to be on the safe side and all other vitamins you need comes from a diet rich in fruit and vegetables. Health cannot be found in a bottle. It doesn't come in pill form. And it certainly isn't found in steaks, fish, grilled cheese sandwiches, bacon omelets and glasses of milk. If you don't want to take a B12 supplement the best way to get it is to let your body produce it naturally, or eat unwashed organic fruits and vegetables with some soil intact.

iamtheoneneo said:
Depends on your mass really. My brother for example requires 300g of protein a day , he works long hours and there is no way he can get normal food down him quick enough in this instance , which is where supplements can come in handy.

There called supplements for a reason remember, If they were meal replacements they would be called as such.

LMFAO 300grams of protein a day!? That's kidney disease waiting to happen.

icecold · 5 Dec 2013 at 23:47

Please go away.

Or someone ban him.

His idiocy makes my eyes bleed.

Nate Silvers · 5 Dec 2013 at 23:59

I love you too icecold

Begbie · 6 Dec 2013 at 01:27

Nate Silvers said:
Well I'm vegan so I take no vitamins . Everything you need comes from plants. All these pills, all the vitamins, they were not created for vegans. They are meat eating creations.

The only supplement I take is a B12. Last time I went for a health check my Doc told me I'm looking fit and healthy and tried to shoo me out the door. I said doc I'm a vegan and he practically pulled me back in and was like QUICK BETTER CHECK THAT B12. Came out fine.

FTR you could have a raging B12 deficiency as a meat eater and not know it because there is no propaganda about B12 as a meat eater and your doctor isn't going to check. 40% of the USA is deficient and there's only 5% vegans living there so it's not a vegan thing.

So take a B12 to be on the safe side and all other vitamins you need comes from a diet rich in fruit and vegetables. Health cannot be found in a bottle. It doesn't come in pill form. And it certainly isn't found in steaks, fish, grilled cheese sandwiches, bacon omelets and glasses of milk. If you don't want to take a B12 supplement the best way to get it is to let your body produce it naturally, or eat unwashed organic fruits and vegetables with some soil intact.

LMFAO 300grams of protein a day!? That's kidney disease waiting to happen.

Do people come up to you and push steak in your face? No.

Do you have to try and push your vegan-ism into everyone elses? You come across as a right **** as does most vegans. Your not better than anyone else because you don't eat meat. Your self acclaimed superiority is getting boring now.

SixTwoSix · 6 Dec 2013 at 06:05

iamtheoneneo said:
Depends on your mass really. My brother for example requires 300g of protein a day

Your brother weighs 166KG? Unless he does or is over that weight, he really doesn't require that much protein daily.

Psycho Sonny · 6 Dec 2013 at 12:25

SixTwoSix said:
Your brother weighs 166KG? Unless he does or is over that weight, he really doesn't require that much protein daily.

is there any scientific proof that you need 2G per KG or LB of lean mass per day?

or is it all made up by the bodybuilding industry in order to push more powder sales?

has there been any scientific research to back these claims up? any sources?

genuinely want to know, because I don't believe you need that much myself.

tom_e · 6 Dec 2013 at 12:44

Nate Silvers said:
Well I'm vegan so I take no vitamins . Everything you need comes from plants. All these pills, all the vitamins, they were not created for vegans. They are meat eating creations.

The only supplement I take is a B12. Last time I went for a health check my Doc told me I'm looking fit and healthy and tried to shoo me out the door. I said doc I'm a vegan and he practically pulled me back in and was like QUICK BETTER CHECK THAT B12. Came out fine.

FTR you could have a raging B12 deficiency as a meat eater and not know it because there is no propaganda about B12 as a meat eater and your doctor isn't going to check. 40% of the USA is deficient and there's only 5% vegans living there so it's not a vegan thing.

So take a B12 to be on the safe side and all other vitamins you need comes from a diet rich in fruit and vegetables. Health cannot be found in a bottle. It doesn't come in pill form. And it certainly isn't found in steaks, fish, grilled cheese sandwiches, bacon omelets and glasses of milk. If you don't want to take a B12 supplement the best way to get it is to let your body produce it naturally, or eat unwashed organic fruits and vegetables with some soil intact.

LMFAO 300grams of protein a day!? That's kidney disease waiting to happen.

WHO NEEDS SUPPS WHEN YOU EAT ENOUGH BANANAS EVERY DAY TO KEEP THE MAN FROM DEL MONTE IN BUSINESS SINGLE HANDEDLY!!11!!1!1111!!!
LISTEN TO MY IMMENSE VEGAN SMUGNESS OR YOU WILL BE MURDERED IN YOUR SLEEP BY A LITTLE CUTE TIGER (they're allowed to eat meat it's cool, it's almost like they're designed to).

mrthingyx · 6 Dec 2013 at 13:10

Psycho Sonny said:
is there any scientific proof that you need 2G per KG or LB of lean mass per day?

or is it all made up by the bodybuilding industry in order to push more powder sales?

has there been any scientific research to back these claims up? any sources?

genuinely want to know, because I don't believe you need that much myself.

The original thought came out from a study in the 80s on nitrogen uptake by the body, and was a derivative calculated from an estimate made during their interpretations of their results (I can't remember the original reference).

So the figure is not necessarily accurate, nor applicable to people that are not necessarily using PEDs... simply because:

- everybody is different;
- any of the near infinite number of variables that make up those differences (digestion, muscle type, dietary allergies, hormones, etc) can make the number not true.

Some posters on this forum like to go over the 2g/kgbw because they feel better 'on it', others do not. Unless you're having blood work, muscle biopsies and measuring the macronutrient content of your bowels/kidneys, it's hit-and-miss at best, so most people go in for the bigger numbers to make sure they're getting 'enough'.

Practically speaking, there was another study on weightlifters that suggested they do - in general - eat more than 16-20% more protein in an appropriate diet than their elite contemporaries in other sports to maintain their musculature.

So the answer is really: what do you feel works for you?

duvet77 · 6 Dec 2013 at 13:25

mrthingyx said:
So the answer is really: what do you feel works for you?

312.6g

Freefaller · 6 Dec 2013 at 13:36

I eat about 150g - does me fine.

Deception · 6 Dec 2013 at 13:42

Freefaller said:
I eat about 150g - does me fine.

aaand we've all seen how you look... :cool:

MoNkeE · 6 Dec 2013 at 13:49

To expand on what Nick said, it's also been suggested in studies that the more muscle you have (ergo, the closer to your natural peak you are), the less protein you will need to continue to grow and gain strength. This is because the actual amount of muscle you are building is extremely small compared to someone who has just started lifting.

But then again Psycho, you've been lifting so long and do everything so perfectly, not only must you already be at your peak, but you'll probably be able to maintain on as little as 120g a day.

grudas · 6 Dec 2013 at 13:52

Freefaller said:
I eat about 150g - does me fine.

same, works? not sure but I'm putting mass on so I guess

duvet77 · 6 Dec 2013 at 14:02

I honestly don't know how much I have but I bet its more than I need. I tend to not eat a great deal of carbs so make up the difference with protein and fat.

Freefaller · 6 Dec 2013 at 14:25

MoNkeE said:
To expand on what Nick said, it's also been suggested in studies that the more muscle you have (ergo, the closer to your natural peak you are), the less protein you will need to continue to grow and gain strength. This is because the actual amount of muscle you are building is extremely small compared to someone who has just started lifting.

Absolutely correct.

But then again Psycho, you've been lifting so long and do everything so perfectly, not only must you already be at your peak, but you'll probably be able to maintain on as little as 120g a day.

*bitingmylipsoharditsbleeding*

Psycho Sonny · 6 Dec 2013 at 14:40

Freefaller said:
I eat about 150g - does me fine.

is that consistently throughout the day or do you up it post workout, etc? e.g. 30g spread out 5 times per day, or try and eat the bulk of it after a workout?

i like to up my protein intake post workout, before bed and in the morning after workout day.

other than that i don't try and add extra protein into the diet and just eat normally.