Supplements the debate/discussion thread

[mrthingyx]

I don't see how creatine helps with either DOMS or myostatin inhibition?

IIRC from the last time I had a gym routine, creatine helped give me a more intense "pump". Perhaps this intensified "pump" creates a larger physical medium allowing more nutrients to transpose to and deposit in the muscles, therefore allowing muscles to repair quicker and alleviating DOMS?

As it is late, may I suggest you google "creatine myostatin inhibition" as a starter for ten (depending on how technical you want to get).

Alternatively, read this.

I will be back tomorrow and will be disappointed if you still think creatine is a pump product.

 

[asim18]

As it is late, may I suggest you google "creatine myostatin inhibition" as a starter for ten (depending on how technical you want to get).

Alternatively, read this.

I will be back tomorrow and will be disappointed if you still think creatine is a pump product.

I understand training decreases serum myostatin to allow muscle mass to increase.
And yes harder training due to creatine will further decrease serum myostatin to allow muscle mass to further increase.

That doesn't mean creatine is a myostatin inhibitor. It merely backs up the age old fact that weight training reduces serum myostatin; if it didn't then your muscles would simply become sore after a workout and not actually adapt to increased weight load.

And I didn't say "creatine is a pump product" either, I said it made me feel more pumped after a workout.

 

[Skunkworks]

Just go and lift some weights FFS.

 

[grudas]

Just go and lift some weights FFS.

This.

 

[asim18]

Just go and lift some weights FFS.

This.

I've been at the gym for the whole of last week and trained every muscle to absolute failure. I have severe DOMS in every muscle. I tried doing a pushup earlier and fell straight on my nose even though it's been a week since I did chest and triceps.

If you don't want to discuss and just post "just lift" replies, that's fine. I'm not forcing anyone to discuss anything with me. But remember, the whole point of a discussion forum is you discuss what you want to discuss and ignore what you don't. If everyone in SA decided to reply to every post just to let them know they don't want to discuess something can you imagine how crap it would be

 

[asim18]

Anyway back on topic.

Are there any slow release post-workout supplements people would recommend? I have a fast metabolism on a regular day, after training my metabolism skyrockets and any food just passes through at light speed!

It feels as if not all the nutrients are getting absorbed. For example, it feels as if when I eat a piece of chicken, with say 100g of protein, my body will absorb 20g and throw 80g straight into the toilet. But if I ate the same piece of chicken one bite at a time over two hours, more of the protein would be absorbed.

Is it a good idea to lower my portion sizes and increase frequency of meals in this situation?

 

[Skillmister]

I actually can't tell if these are troll posts are not. You can feel protein absorption can you? Why not eat something post workout then eat something else 2 hours later?

 

[mrthingyx]

Anyway back on topic.

Are there any slow release post-workout supplements people would recommend? I have a fast metabolism on a regular day, after training my metabolism skyrockets and any food just passes through at light speed!

It feels as if not all the nutrients are getting absorbed. For example, it feels as if when I eat a piece of chicken, with say 100g of protein, my body will absorb 20g and throw 80g straight into the toilet. But if I ate the same piece of chicken one bite at a time over two hours, more of the protein would be absorbed.

Is it a good idea to lower my portion sizes and increase frequency of meals in this situation?

How have you reached this conclusion? You may find your problem is you are simply not actually eating enough...?

Regarding creatine, the reason it is interesting is not only that it enables a person to train longer, but people who struggle to train (namely those with muscular dystrophy) also benefit from it, too.

With regards to direct inhibition if myostatin, you are looking at two approaches: gene therapy (which at this point will probably kill you if you even found a mad scientist crazy enough to try it on you) or going after follistatins found hiding in fertile eggs or supposedly some weird (and expensive) product called MYO-X.

This latter has no direct evidence supporting its efficacy or dose pattern, so I know very little about its effects (and no, Body Building forum opinion pieces do not count as evidence),a nod would therefore not suggest it.

Based on your posts above, I would say you need to have a think about how you are training, how you are eating, and what your goals actually are...

For instance, how long have you been training? What is your training history. What are your vital statistics? What is your daily activity like?

If you are a beginner or getting back into the gym after a long absence, DOMS will be horrific. If your diet is also not up to scratch, the. DOMS will persist longer. Training to failure is also not my favourite method, either, and will further compound the problem for little substantive (from what I have seen) benefit.

So: what can you tell us?

 

[TruffleShuffle]

You went to the gym for the first time in ages and you have severe DOMS?

Well holy **** .

Just keep going to the gym. Maintain your schedule and your body will adjust to it.

 

[LiE]

Anyway back on topic.

Are there any slow release post-workout supplements people would recommend? I have a fast metabolism on a regular day, after training my metabolism skyrockets and any food just passes through at light speed!

It feels as if not all the nutrients are getting absorbed. For example, it feels as if when I eat a piece of chicken, with say 100g of protein, my body will absorb 20g and throw 80g straight into the toilet. But if I ate the same piece of chicken one bite at a time over two hours, more of the protein would be absorbed.

Is it a good idea to lower my portion sizes and increase frequency of meals in this situation?

No.. eat lots, make some gains. Stop with the made up absorption stuff.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Anyone manage to get the 4.5 kg of whey protein from my protein for £40 in the sale?

I would have posted it alongside my referral but it may have been deemed as spamming again, managed to stock up for the year

 

[Deception]

Anyone manage to get the 4.5 kg of whey protein from my protein for £40 in the sale?

I would have posted it alongside my referral but it may have been deemed as spamming again, managed to stock up for the year

Well I get unflavoured 5kg for not much more, so I just stick to that

 

[Skunkworks]

I've been at the gym for the whole of last week and trained every muscle to absolute failure. I have severe DOMS in every muscle. I tried doing a pushup earlier and fell straight on my nose even though it's been a week since I did chest and triceps.

If you don't want to discuss and just post "just lift" replies, that's fine. I'm not forcing anyone to discuss anything with me. But remember, the whole point of a discussion forum is you discuss what you want to discuss and ignore what you don't. If everyone in SA decided to reply to every post just to let them know they don't want to discuess something can you imagine how crap it would be

The thing that bugs me is that there are probably only 2-3 people in this thread (if that) who even need to get close to that kind of minutiae, the rest is just a case of a little knowledge being dangerous. There are people in this thread who can’t seem to get their ass in the gym without a fist full of stimulants and placebos, and it’s down to people spending too much time reading about the gym and not enough time in the gym.

Eating well and lifting right is good enough for 99.99% of the population – no need to fret over big words you found on GymWiki.

 

[BennyC]

Anyway back on topic.

Are there any slow release post-workout supplements people would recommend? I have a fast metabolism on a regular day, after training my metabolism skyrockets and any food just passes through at light speed!

I don't even... (I think you'll find this feeling is actually just hunger )

It feels as if not all the nutrients are getting absorbed. For example, it feels as if when I eat a piece of chicken, with say 100g of protein, my body will absorb 20g and throw 80g straight into the toilet. But if I ate the same piece of chicken one bite at a time over two hours, more of the protein would be absorbed.

Is it a good idea to lower my portion sizes and increase frequency of meals in this situation?

I don't even...

 

[Sycho]

Where do you guys order protein powder mainly? i am getting Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard 908g in my store for £21.60 but i want the 4kg bags....was told supplementcentre is good which sell them £85.99 though not sure where else to get good deal on them? (the large tubs seem to sell £45 or so everywhere too)

 

[tom_e]

Switch to one of the bulk suppliers.
My Protein, Bulk powders, Go Nutrition, The protein works. Much cheaper than buying branded.
Over £22/kg is daylight robbery without lube.

 

[Sycho]

Cheers going to check those, only been doing this 3 months so i dont know much about where to get the stuff, thanks.Yeah thought it was a bit too much.

 

[sunama]

The thing that bugs me is that there are probably only 2-3 people in this thread (if that) who even need to get close to that kind of minutiae,

Too right.
Stick to the basics.
If you want to add muscle - eat more and lift increasingly heavier weights.
In most cases, simple is good. Simple, works.

 

[sunama]

Training to failure is also not my favourite method, either,

I actually agree with this.
I think training till the last rep can be beneficial, but not when it is done in every single work-out.
In the gym I see people squeezing out every last rep (or half rep, by getting the spotter to assist).

Furthermore, training to failure, in every single set, of every single workout is very taxing mentally. I think similar or even better results can be had, but stopping before failure.

 

[Suarez7]

Training to failure in my opinion isn't good for development, for example on the 1st exercise you do if you train to failure this will probably weaken your lifts for the next exercises in your routine and lead to lack of developments in different areas of that muscle group.

I'll probably get shot down for that but that's how I see it.