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Then you may want to look at the people you worked with. The only hard part i've ever found with manual labour is the physicality of it, mentally its been easy as pie and even enjoyable.

Anyway, the point i'm making is that a "hard day's graft" isnt something that only manual labour gives. A proper office job (not data entry) which is what i meant originally can provide a hard day's graft just as well, something which people like to ignore to make them feel downtrodden so they can rise against their oppressors.
 
well we were talking builders, people on a building site probably carrying heavy things , pushing wheel barrows etc.

not someone in a warehouse with one those phenumatic trolleys moving around pallets like they way almost nothing.
 
Never worked with any lifting aids, all i've had to help is my own arms, legs and back. Includes warehouses and building.

Actually thats a lie. I think i have used one once, but i wasnt doing manual labour then, only shop assistanty type work.
 
arknor said:
anyway its only a matter of time before the highly skilled foreigners start coming over and taking your highly paid jobs from you because they will work for cheaper.
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No, they just outsource to India or somesuch. Already happening and has been going on for years. Rather than strike or complain about it what you do instead is make yourself more valuable to the company. Generally leads to more pay too.


Delvis said:
It can be, depends on the labour involved.

Saying 'manual labour' is easy, is a bit of a broad statement :p
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As is saying "office work" is easy. But nah, lets denigrate that because real men should be doing heavy lifting and earning an honest pittance rather than having to use their brains.

arknor said:
well we were talking builders, people on a building site probably carrying heavy things , pushing wheel barrows etc.

not someone in a warehouse with one those phenumatic trolleys moving around pallets like they way almost nothing.
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So "hard graft" is just physical labour? Does stacking pallets by hand all day count? Or do I have to do it outside in the pouring rain, driving sleet and a force 9 gale before it counts as hard work? :D
 
Andrew1978 said:
You seem to completely ignore the fact that this hard days graft that you're doing in the office is paid considerably more and has a lot more benefits.
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So? In that case manual labour isnt really a hard days graft. Volunteers work for free, and manual labourers get paid far more than them with more benefits.

Hard day's graft implies a hard day's work, not low pay.
 
RDM said:
As is saying "office work" is easy. But nah, lets denigrate that because real men should be doing heavy lifting and earning an honest pittance rather than having to use their brains.
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Hm, not sure if your having a dig there or what....I wasen't saying office work is easy either :p

As I used to work for an IT company.
 
Delvis said:
Hm, not sure if your having a dig there or what....I wasen't saying office work is easy either :p

As I used to work for an IT company.
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The first half was aimed at you, the second sentence at those that seem to think only manual labour is hard graft. ;)
 
Volunteers are exactly that, people work to survive.

If you get paid for the work you do then a hard day in the office for double or triple the pay compared to manual work then i cant really see how you can argue that its just as hard, its easier to persist doing it if you get more of a reward at the end.

and where did i say office work wasnt hard? i said what i did was the easiest job i've ever had and comparing the office type jobs i can get to the physical jobs i can get then trying to tell me "office work is hard" is laughable.
 
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Andrew1978 said:
Volunteers are exactly that, people work to survive.

If you get paid for the work you do then a hard day in the office for double or triple the pay compared to manual work then i cant really see how you can argue that its just as hard, its easier to persist doing it if you get more of a reward at the end.

and where did i say office work wasnt hard? i said what i did was the easiest job i've ever had and comparing the office type jobs i can get to the physical jobs i can get then trying to tell me "office work is hard" is laughable.
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Now hang on. If you're going to say that only hard work can be justified by the money you earn then surely only volunteers do a hard day's graft? Last time I checked most people choose to do their jobs so choice isn't an argument. As money seems to be your only qualifying aspect of a hard day's graft then that immediately means that only volunteers can claim a hard day's graft.

If you think what I just said is nonsense that's because it is. Money has nothing to do with it. A hard day's work is about effort involved not remuneration afterwards.
 
That is exactly what ive said. Physical work outside is harder than the work i can get in an office. if i had to do both for free they dont get easier, one is still harder.

sorry but you wont convince me that sitting on my arse all day drinking coke and munching sweets is easier than screeding a garage in the rain.
 
I'm much rather have physical stress than mental stress... and pay rates would suggest many others feel the same.
 
Then you haven't done any hard office jobs, especially if data entry is what you've done. Data entry is the easiest job i've ever done. A comparable manual job would probably be waitering but even then thats more involved. In which case from your perspective then yes, physical labour is more difficult. Shame the world is larger than what you've experienced though.
 
Andrew1978 said:
Why are you comparing high paid and stressful office work to low paid labour?

shame your a bit of a nob
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Because you seem to think that office jobs are easy. Oh wait, that's because all office jobs must be the same as data entry...

There's a reason why office jobs are better paid. Hard day's work at a stressful office job is worth more than a hard days manual labour.
 
Ok, please, tell me what office job i could do that would be comparable to a days work on a building site, they all pay the same (almost)

if you compare all the sectors, retail, customer service, manual labor and office work i can say without a doubt which one is the hardest.
 
Andrew1978 said:
Ok, please, tell me what office job i could do that would be comparable to a days work on a building site, they all pay the same (almost)

if you compare all the sectors, retail, customer service, manual labor and office work i can say without a doubt which one is the hardest.
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yes retail work because dealing with customers who treat you with no respect is back breaking sweaty work.

i think its safe to say if ocuk is anything to go buy the lower classes of this country should be treated as slaves and paid only enough to keep them fed and watered for the nexts days work if they dont like it then they will be replaced by someone else from another country who will work like a slave for a slaves pay
 
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Right, so lets get this straight. This has all started because I, and others, have said you can do a hard day's work in an office and you disagree. Just to let me know, what kind of pay scale are we talking here? Because apparently work becomes easy when you're paid more.
 
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