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Poll: Syrian Chemical Weapon Attack
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Soldato
Idiot, no by those who serve in them. Do I really need to go in detail to explain something as simple as this?
Or do people like you spend all your life finding facts from youtube and dailymail?
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walter cumper clubs then.
Oh look its a GD circle jerk. Back on the point then as though anyone is actually interested in the facts lol.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-29/syria-opposition-parties/4913162
edit - and whilst were on the subject anyone interested in the ethnic diversity of the region (and hence why its so problematic) can check out this interesting map. Big, so in spoilers.
I would imagine he's referring to Janes.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-29/syria-opposition-parties/4913162
edit - and whilst were on the subject anyone interested in the ethnic diversity of the region (and hence why its so problematic) can check out this interesting map. Big, so in spoilers.
I would imagine he's referring to Janes.
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Sadly despite the being even more evidence that the rebels have used chemical weapons than the government having used them the west still choose to ignore it because it doesn't tally with the version of the Syrian civil war they are trying to portray.
I mean if they told people that Assad was a former doctor who trained as an eye surgeon in London before being called back to Damascus after the death of his older brother and heir (as his father believed his Gaddafi type younger brother too unstable to run a country) and that he actually has the suppor tof most Syrians then it wouldn't work as well as telling people he's a mental dictator everyone hates would it
Sadly despite the being even more evidence that the rebels have used chemical weapons than the government having used them the west still choose to ignore it because it doesn't tally with the version of the Syrian civil war they are trying to portray.
I mean if they told people that Assad was a former doctor who trained as an eye surgeon in London before being called back to Damascus after the death of his older brother and heir (as his father believed his Gaddafi type younger brother too unstable to run a country) and that he actually has the suppor tof most Syrians then it wouldn't work as well as telling people he's a mental dictator everyone hates would it
He was the great big white hope for the region no doubt about it, western educated, considered moderate and with a western wife. But then he started massacring his own people, which tarnished the whole doctor thing a bit - what can you do?
As to there being more evidence the rebels used them, you keep saying this. Whats the evidence? We all know what the UN report is going to say, are they not to be trusted anymore?
Soldato
No there not
The UN report is not going to say who did it... The point of the UN report for most people at the start was that the west weren't even going to wait for a report to even come out.
What we do have is:
Videos of people suffering from gas attacks (multiple, not just the large one) Some videos apparently showing rebels firing chemical weapons
Western governments stating (but not showing any) that they have evidence to support the assertion Assad used chemical weapons
Russia stating (having apparently sent evidence to the UN up to a year ago) the Rebels have been using chemical weapons for up to a year
Heresay about German and Israeli intelligence saying they have intercepted radio communications showing Assad didn't order an attack, that may have been a rogue element in side the government and then another group talking to Iran stating the government did use chemicals.
A UN prosecutor saying there is evidence to suggest rebels have used chemical weapons - you can argue whether she is anti NATO or just unbias - personally I'd go with unbias considering she was actually saying the west should adhere to the same laws as those covering Serbian soldiers...
The UN then stating they aren't pointing any fingers after that discussion
The UN leader stating Assad is a war criminal.
A UN report stating chemical weapons were used in a large attack (and possibly other smaller attacks prior) - but no blame.
Basically we have heresay and a few videos. Nothing is clear cut about the overall usage of chemical weapons - although the big attack that killed 400 (UN), 1000 (Rebels) or 1400 (US - interesting they have the highest number...) probably was done by elements within the Government forces. The multiple possible smaller attacks may have been done by both sides.
Considering the history of western intelligence and lying/bending the truth - 45 minutes in Iraq and no fly zone in Libya - most people are inclined to take western "intelligence" and government adherence to what they say with massive scepticism, alongside scepticism about Russian evidence. All in all that gives most people in the UK a massive mind **** and why most of us don't believe we should get involved at all (this also covers a lot of other western nations).
If the US and UK governments want to convince the public to go to war in cases like this they really need to be more open and prove they can be trusted again.
Sierra Leone and Mali were the right reasons to send the military into action, Syria and Iraq are/were not. Personally I'd rather we sent our military into Sudan to help keep the peace there.
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Soldato
please tell me this was sarcastic (i don't think it was...)
Soldato
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...m-un-chemical-weapons-inspectors-8820454.html
Ok so now we have a UN report that clearly states Sarin was used and it is highly likely that it was used by the Syrian Government.
Ok so now we have a UN report that clearly states Sarin was used and it is highly likely that it was used by the Syrian Government.
Soldato
And it's highly likely that the hardware (Rockets/Shells/Artillery ) to deliver the Sarin Gas and the Gas itself was supplied by Russia , If that's true ..and it probably is , Is that not a breach of International Law by Russia to sell Chemical and or Biological weapons to another country ?
No, no it is not, you could fill a Thermos with Sarin and launch it via a catapult, does that mean the Thermos should be banned as a potential WMD?
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And secondly, according to the news article linked above:
Really? Okay what did the original person they quoted actually say?
REALLY?
Because here's a video of them using one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PHC4JoGrdg
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Caporegime
Interesting interview with the guy making the M14 claims: http://www.vice.com/read/an-intervi...endent-weapons-expert-on-the-syrian-civil-war
Caporegime
Yeah, seems a bit OTT now - the CW attack aren't alleged anymore, they are confirmed by the UN and not a western media flase flag consipracy after all (who would have thought?). I guess UMLCA doesn't roll off the tongue as easily though.