Poll: Syrian Chemical Weapon Attack

Would you support a military strike on Syria without a UN Security Council resolution?

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Johnnytoxic said:
So if we had a peaceful protest down in London, we expect
Cameron to leave?

Are you for real? Syria has a population of 22 million. Maybe 100,000 against the government and are classed as rebels. The rest are still pro Assad.
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Holy cow, new winner for most ridiculous stats pulled out of my ****. Basic reading required please. Assads clan are the minority, around 17% of the population and predominantly shia. Arrayed against him are the 74% of the Sunni population. the rest are minorities like the christians. It doesnt break down exactly along religious lines but its a pretty good indicator of whose supporting who. However the Alawite/Shia have the heavy weaponry.
 
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Devlish said:
yawn, go rattle the anti-israel sabre elsewhere, were talking about Syria here.
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so you don't think there is hypocrisy from the western leaders when they talk about a 'red line' being crossed by Syria, but dopn't think the same red line counts for Israel when they were exposed for openly using WP in civilian areas in direct contravention of a whole stack of conventions and agreements ?

If the red line is not there for intervention against Israel then the same red line should not exist for Syria. It is pulling stunts like this that bring unnecessary bedlam down on us from islamic nutcases.

I have no issues with bombing Syria back to the stoneage if the same applies to states like Israel who seem to be immune from any repercussions regardless of what conventions they casually forget about.
 
Devlish said:
Holy cow, new winner for most ridiculous stats pulled out of my ****. Basic reading required please. Assads clan are the minority, around 17% of the population and predominantly shia. Arrayed against him are the 74% of the Sunni population. the rest are minorities like the christians. It doesnt break down exactly along religious lines but its a pretty good indicator of whose supporting who. However the Alawite/Shia have the heavy weaponry.
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Sorry dude but the great majority of Syrians are pro-government, just because they are from different clans or even religions doesn't mean they can't support Assad.
 
Devlish said:
True, only 106,000 dead so far, whats a couple of thousand more. How can we be so blase with WMDs and dead civvies? Seems we keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Kosovo is a tried and tested model for limited intervention, no boots on the ground. There they had concentration camps, here we have chemical weapons. Its depressing how we can ignore deaths we dont see as long as theyre far far away.
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you mean the same we we casually ignore the deaths of palestinian civillians when Israel break out the white phosphorus munitions and use them in civilian areas.

Double standards much.........................
 
wildman said:
so you don't think there is hypocrisy from the western leaders when they talk about a 'red line' being crossed by Syria, but dopn't think the same red line counts for Israel when they were exposed for openly using WP in civilian areas in direct contravention of a whole stack of conventions and agreements ?

If the red line is not there for intervention against Israel then the same red line should not exist for Syria. It is pulling stunts like this that bring unnecessary bedlam down on us from islamic nutcases.

I have no issues with bombing Syria back to the stoneage if the same applies to states like Israel who seem to be immune from any repercussions regardless of what conventions they casually forget about.
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I dont see how you can draw parallels between the use of WP and a munitions grade chemical weapon? I should say I find Israel a hard nut to crack, the settlements are a real sticking point for me, but I do believe the Israeli population and the rest of the world would **** a brick if Israel used any kind of WMDs which resulted in a certifiable large scale loss of life on this scale.
 
ubersonic said:
Sorry dude but the great majority of Syrians are pro-government, just because they are from different clans or even religions doesn't mean they can't support Assad.
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We could just go round in circles about this so wiki - The Assad family comes from the minority Alawite religious group, an offshoot of Shi'ite Islam that comprises an estimated 12 percent of the total Syrian population. It has maintained tight control on Syria's security services, generating resentment among some Sunni Muslims, a sect that makes up about three-quarters of Syria's population. Ethnic minority Syrian Kurds have also protested and complained over ethnic discrimination and denial of their cultural and language rights. The Syrian government allegedly has relied mostly on Alawite-dominated units of the security services to fight the uprising. Assad's younger brother Maher al-Assad commands the army's elite Fourth Armored Division, and his brother-in-law, Assef Shawkat, was the deputy minister of defense until the latter's assassination in the 18 July 2012 Damascus bombing.

wildman said:
you mean the same we we casually ignore the deaths of palestinian civillians when Israel break out the white phosphorus munitions and use them in civilian areas.

Double standards much.........................
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Can you give figures on deaths due to WP in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict? thats certainly a factor in the difference in the response.
 
Hypocrites

On one hand selling crowd control gas (CS) to Bahrain/Jordan/Saudi Arabia ...and keeping quiet on abuses that go on in these countries ...and on other hand actively stoking revolt in other countries ...

CS if inhaled in great quantity is DEADLY.....where are charges for crimes against humanity against those that authorize sale of CS to Bahrain/Jordan/Saudi Arabia....where are charges against Cameron/Hague and others ...

hypocrites
 
David Cameron backing down and making out it was down to public pressure. It seems it was lack of support from fellow MP's rather than 'us'.
 
fozzybear said:
David Cameron backing down and making out it was down to public pressure. It seems it was lack of support from fellow MP's rather than 'us'.
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But the MP's 'represent' 'us', therefore if he has backed down due to lack of support from those we elect to represent us, then surely thats... hopefully how our democracy is supposed to work?
 
No, he doesn't believe that. As far as I can remember he doesn't think people should have the franchise in the first place. The usual superior aloof nonsense spouted by a few here. ;)
 
Syria conflict is greatest thread to world since cuban missile crisis.

During Cuban missile crisis Jack Kennedy had spy photos of the missiles from U2 flights that were shown to world. Obama has not presented any evidence to validate Syria government caused this attack.

There is however video footage of what appears rebels firing chemical mortars.

China and Russia are nervous because US are not following international law and trying to strike without UN permission. They have already seen whats happened in Iraq, Egypt and Libya, these were all ally's of Russia.

China and Russia are standing behind Syrian government, western action could end up a shooting war with China and Russia. Iran is also threading action against Israel. Iran is a 5000 year old persian empire the west does not want a war with.

No logic from the Syrian forces launching this attack and provoking the west as Syrian forces are winning against the rebels.

Rebels are infiltrated by al qaeda, muslim brotherhood. The one that was filmed cutting out someones heart the month previous was from the same group that met with John Mccain a few months ago.
 
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People would be naive to think we would spend so much money on our forces then waste them on an area where there is no return on investment.

We fight in areas where we will gain something. Politically or financially. We wouldn't last as a civilised country otherwise :-)
 
Hedge said:
People would be naive to think we would spend so much money on our forces then waste them on an area where there is no return on investment.

We fight in areas where we will gain something. Politically or financially. We wouldn't last as a civilised country otherwise :-)
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dirty conspiracy theorist.... Hague says we going in to protect people that means we going in to protect people.
 
Protecting people is part of it. There is no doubt there.

However when there are people allover the world needing help, you need to help those who will give the best return and maybe less of a risk.

If we didn't we'd just lose our money invested.
 
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