Poll: Syrian Chemical Weapon Attack

[Devlish]

so how long till labour mp's moan at nothing being done then ?

6 months or another 100k deaths. place your bets.

I just hope Milliband gets it up the jacksie. The guy is a complete weasel and Labour have shown their true colours, and its a yellow streak a mile wide. Jeez I never thought id actually look kindly on the coalition.

 

[neil3k]

good.

we can't afford to chuck million quid missiles at third world countries.

 

[Devlish]

good.

we can't afford to chuck million quid missiles at third world countries.

yeah the money is so much better spent on your benefits.

 

[loltim]

thank god for that

 

[leaskovski]

Oh lord, why do we pay these idiots to run our country. Philip Hammond on Newsnight tonight kept using Saddam Hussains names instead of Assad.

What a tool.

 

[Devlish]

Oh lord, why do we pay these idiots to run our country. Philip Hammond on Newsnight tonight kept using Saddam Hussains names instead of Assad.

What a tool.

I think tonight has proved, we get the idiots we deserve.

 

[fozzybear]

Weve shown our true colours and you'd better pray to God that the FSA lose because Al Nusra is going to be running the show now and they'll have access to chemical weapon stockpiles.

I've read that a few times now but it still doesn't make any sense.

 

[Kenai]

I think tonight has proved, we get the idiots we deserve.

Tonight has proved that once in a blue moon, (some) MPs do actually vote in reflection of public opinion and not solely in their own interests

 

[leaskovski]

Good, military intervention is completely unjustified as far as i'm concerned at this stage of proceedings and would serve only to do more damage than it prevents judging by our previous experiences and ability to dish out a fair bit of collateral damage

Hopefully no military action won't directly mean 'no kind of action at all' though, should we eventually get some concrete evidence one way or the other.

Watching Newsnight, they basically said that this was the case. We won't be there at all. It will be down to the Yanks and others to deal with it.

 

[Rimsy]

Glad common sense prevailed for once. There just isn't the evidence that pins the attack on Assad available yet and if there is it isn't being shared with us yet.

 

[leaskovski]

lol, Labour MPs (according to Newsnight) stayed away, in other words, stayed on holiday. So the reason the vote went no, was down to Tory votes saying, er, no thanks.

 

[LOAM]

Thank goodness for that, I'm all for it if its proven and with UN backing but not now, even the Americans aren't 100% sure who was responsible.

 

[Kenai]

Watching Newsnight, they basically said that this was the case. We won't be there at all. It will be down to the Yanks and others to deal with it.

By 'action' i'm not necessarily referring to having a presence in Syria, i'd be perfectly supportive of humanitarian aid, trade sanctions, things like that if they were appropriate and suitable responses.

Though it wouldn't surprise me for politics in this country for us to take a childish all or nothing 'well if im not allowed to bomb them to smithereens im not helping at all' approach

 

[mmj_uk]

No I think that statement is incorrect, it would have been about striking military targets that could be used to deliver chemical weapons.

I think we all know those targets would have been pretty much any place where the Syrian army are based.

They have made it clear that they do not want to "help" a side in the civil war, just prevent the use of these weapons.

If you believe that you are a fool, we've already been pushing to arm the 'rebels' how is that being neutral?

I'm sure the US or Israel will go in anyway.

 

[cu3ed]

Why is everyone talking like this was in any way a vote to take actual military action?

It wasn't.

 

[Jono8]

Why is everyone talking like this was in any way a vote to take actual military action?

It wasn't.

 

[Devlish]

I've read that a few times now but it still doesn't make any sense.

Let me break it down for you as my last act of the evening. The FSA are the main rebel group. Since western intervention hasn't been forthcoming they have lent increasingly on the most effective groups fighting Assad in Syria, who are the extremist factions, notably in this case the 6000 strong Al Nusra Front, although the 15 extremist groups in Syria have formed the Syrian liberation front - these are the lot the unwashed uninformed thinks are the FSA.

Our complete failure to do anything in the face of them being gassed - im presuming we have seriously undermined the US' actions and as that means were relying on the UN and the russian veto on them doing anything = a big fat nothing. Should the FSA triumph they will have access to the stockpiles of chemical weaponry that Assad has. Since the extremists will likely really be in charge, thats military grade chemicals starting to wheedle their way out of syria and probably into afghanistan. Deterring assad from using the weps would have promoted the secular wing of the FSA as having had serious backing and possibly toppled Damascus. After that the FSA have said multiple times they didnt want to swap one tyranny for the tyranny of extremism. Now they have to dance with that particular devil because chums, gas gas gas.

Ironically, if Assad now uses the WMDs on the opposition he can win the war and guarantee the stockpiles dont fall into the hands of extremists linked to AQ. We can turn a blind eye to the mountain of dead, everyone wins. Except the mountain of dead of course. Oh, and every tinpot dictator who wants to use a WMD on his own populace sure in the knowledge that the West is paralysed.

 

[Jimbeam3678]

Irrespetive of the reasons it's good to see the whole thing being properly debated in parliament rather than just going at it gung-ho.

Exactly what I was thinking. I'll leave the rights and wrong to be discussed in here and I'll keep my limited knowledge and opinions on the matter to myself

 

[Zbornak]

Tony Blair is currently the #1 worldwide trend on Twitter at the moment. Shows you how much Iraq still plays on peoples' minds in these times.

 

[B&W]

Let me break it down for you as my last act of the evening. The FSA are the main rebel group. Since western intervention hasn't been forthcoming they have lent increasingly on the most effective groups fighting Assad in Syria, who are the extremist factions, notably in this case the 6000 strong Al Nusra Front, although the 15 extremist groups in Syria have formed the Syrian liberation front - these are the lot the unwashed uninformed thinks are the FSA.

Our complete failure to do anything in the face of them being gassed - im presuming we have seriously undermined the US' actions and as that means were relying on the UN and the russian veto on them doing anything = a big fat nothing. Should the FSA triumph they will have access to the stockpiles of chemical weaponry that Assad has. Since the extremists will likely really be in charge, thats military grade chemicals starting to wheedle their way out of syria and probably into afghanistan. Deterring assad from using the weps would have promoted the secular wing of the FSA as having had serious backing and possibly toppled Damascus. After that the FSA have said multiple times they didnt want to swap one tyranny for the tyranny of extremism. Now they have to dance with that particular devil because chums, gas gas gas.

Ironically, if Assad now uses the WMDs on the opposition he can win the war and guarantee the stockpiles dont fall into the hands of extremists linked to AQ. We can turn a blind eye to the mountain of dead, everyone wins. Except the mountain of dead of course.

Do you think Israel will let chemical weapons fall into the hands of extremists?

They're the most likely ones to get targeted and are keeping a very hawkish eye on everything around them.