I have a better idea - how about you don't post rubbish then these threads wouldn't get messy.
Taiwan and China thread.
- Thread starter dowie
- Start date
I have a better idea - how about you don't post rubbish then these threads wouldn't get messy.
I’m not sure the US has conquered directly, more forcefully made the country more friendly to the US through trade, military help or just assassinating those that declare carte-blance war against the US and it’s attack the US inside the US.
The US has a semiconductor stake in Taiwan. Soon as the semiconductor advantage is moved to US soil, that stake will lessen and the US will loose interest, instead sending arma but not assets or US personnel.
Don
Interesting article today on the front of FT, luxury watch prices have halved seemingly along with other traded 2nd hand luxury goods as Chinese investors flood the market to raise money, increasing signs of a pending collapse of the Chinese economy it would appear.
The biggest problem, the cold war never ended, once people understood the only way to defeat the west was via the Economy. I can never understand why the west never controlled what was manufactured in China, this was always going to happen. The woke movement I bet was designed by Russia and the Chinese.
Soldato
I don’t think that word means what you think it means… Mr..Wong
Soldato
China stages new drills near Taiwan and vows to 'crush' interference
China sent thirty warplanes and five army vessels toward Taiwan today as it reacted with fury to a second visit by an American delegation to Taipei in as many weeks
Soldato
America - Visits Taiwan
China - Wastes a bunch of money on drills
China - Wastes a bunch of money on drills
Soldato
Isn't this the China/Taiwan thread?
I'm getting a lot of deja-vu lately with the way the Chinese are approaching things, saying one thing while meaning another and a potential increased tempo of "exercises" which cover for an increased readiness to go to war.
Soldato
Yeah I do wonder what will come of it likely nothing but I look forward to seeing how it goes. I feel like in the long run they will go for Taiwan it may be decades but they seem pretty set on it.
Hopefully we will have established chip fabs and other semiconductor industry elsewhere by then to alleviate the chaos it will cause.
I can't remember the date, 2049 I think but China set a deadline for the reunification of Taiwan "one way or another".
EDIT: Something I've mentioned before but some leaks (not sure if intentional) from Russian military leadership seem to indicate they are under the impression, from talking to their counterparts in China, that China would commence an invasion of Taiwan by the end of this year - but I don't really see it - they've not built up the infrastructure or resources to do it decisively as things stand while not impossible it would be hugely costly for China and not certain to succeed.
Regardless of the ills of American foreign policy and so on - you ask most people in Ukraine or Taiwan whether they'd rather submit to a repressive regime or pick up a gun and fight, even if the odds are heavily stacked against them, the answer will be clear.
Soldato
China would alienate all its western markets worth trillions in trade, with its current difficulties I do not see them invading Taiwan. There is much that we could drop in trading with China that is not essential to our lifestyle and some that would hurt. Again it is probably necessary at some point to disabuse these totalitarian states of their power.
People won't like the short term pain, but it is sadly a modern condition we aren't prepared to embrace that, spend the money and put in the effort to produce a better long term outcome. If WW2 was to happen today I don't think most of the people in the UK have the spirit or will - we'd probably capitulate to the Nazis with short term notions that it would make all the problems go away and we could get back to the standard of living, etc. we were used to despite the long term reality.
Don
Yes it is
I was under the impression that Alaska was purchased from the Russians by USA
Soldato
Correct.
We colonised Falklands as well I believe.
Taiwan historically was under Chinese rule so whilst I do kind of see their point, it's clear the current Taiwan is more than just a wayward province in global importance.
The people of Taiwan should have the right to choose their own destiny.
Soldato
Very different scenarios, not really a good comparison. For one thing the Falkland Islanders are happy being a British Overseas Territory, while the Taiwanese population doesn't want to be ruled by the CCP. That's the most important factor imo.
The relationship between the Falklands and Spain and France (other countries that had claims on them at some point) is very different to the relationship between Taiwan and China too.
For another thing, the Falklands weren't even inhabited until a few hundred years ago, there is no possibility of some argument around ancient cultural traditions of the island being Spanish or whatever.
Or if your angle is that the Falklands should be part of Argentina because they're in their 'zone of influence' (which seems to be an argument used for Ukraine > Russia and Taiwan > China) then how exactly does that concept work? Why isn't Ireland in the UK's zone of influence, for example? Would we be justified if we felt like invading Ireland? I don't think so.
Soldato
With the facts readily available for the Taiwanese people to make an informed choice.
Soldato
The whole of Ireland is within the British Isles but I do take your point.
Also Taiwan is Nationalist China, the mainland is Communist China. Two entities entirely.
Also Taiwan is Nationalist China, the mainland is Communist China. Two entities entirely.