Tate Brothers - Round 2

[GGizmo]

Also blaming women.

I also see a fear of the western world turning muslim. If we dont get some strong men in charge it seems.

Its scary CT stuff it really is.

You're using excuses without giving reasons or solutions to the problems.

You've said the Muslim line before. Why should Muslims scare me? I agree more with a Muslim than you.

As Islam becomes more influential in this country it's not my views that will be challenge it is yours. They already are.

You seem more interested in making the conversation directly about women when we're talking about a male issue.

 

[malachi]

Also blaming women.

I also see a fear of the western world turning muslim. If we dont get some strong men in charge it seems.



Its scary CT stuff it really is.

We dont need Islam to get strong men in charge.

We have plenty of strong men in charge already. They just know not to get involved in gender politics and if you are a man showing off like Tate was then you are going to become a target. He went about it the wrong way by upsetting men who have more money and power than him.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

We dont need Islam to get strong men in charge.

We have plenty of strong men in charge already. They just know not to get involved in gender politics and if you are a man showing off like Tate was then you are going to become a target. He went about it the wrong way by upsetting men who have more money and power than him.

Wait so Tate's views and actions are fine but he just upset the wrong people along the way?

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

You're using excuses without giving reasons or solutions to the problems.

You've said the Muslim line before. Why should Muslims scare me? I agree more with a Muslim than you.

As Islam becomes more influential in this country it's not my views that will be challenge it is yours. They already are.

You seem more interested in making the conversation directly about women when we're talking about a male issue.

Where is Islam becoming more influential in this country because I'm not seeing it?

 

[GGizmo]

Where is Islam becoming more influential in this country because I'm not seeing it?

There is currently a crisis in Western Christianity, very few young men are becoming active Christians. If you don't believe me then search online because it is a genuine conversation happening in Christian circles today.

On the flip side there are more and more young men becoming Muslims, and one of the main reasons cited is because there is no leadership in the Christian churches.

Whether people are Christians, atheists or others, this is a Christian society. The more the church goes down this path of trying to please everyone it'll please no one. Btw I am a Christian. But because the churches are so weak, even on Scripture, there is no guidance, especially for men.

I'm mentioning religion in the conversation because it's one of the big planks of society that isn't there for men anymore. When a gap opens up then people like Tate move in.

Tate himself is a product of a society that many young men think it hates them.

 

[Chris Wilson]

I haven't the time to watch that but is there a figure for how many males versus how many females are converting to Islam in the UK?

With people like that divergent wet Welby in charge (who can't resist meddling politically, and is happy for "the rules" to arbitrarily changed to suit transient political correctness), it's no surprise the C of E is in decline. In the USA strong Christian leaderships see many states still demonstrably very actively supportive of the faith. A strong presence, personality and good media coverage has done Tate no harm, Welby has the personailty of a toad and the charisma of I don't know what.

 

[Tony Edwards]

There is currently a crisis in Western Christianity, very few young men are becoming active Christians. If you don't believe me then search online because it is a genuine conversation happening in Christian circles today.

On the flip side there are more and more young men becoming Muslims, and one of the main reasons cited is because there is no leadership in the Christian churches.

Whether people are Christians, atheists or others, this is a Christian society. The more the church goes down this path of trying to please everyone it'll please no one. Btw I am a Christian. But because the churches are so weak, even on Scripture, there is no guidance, especially for men.

I'm mentioning religion in the conversation because it's one of the big planks of society that isn't there for men anymore. When a gap opens up then people like Tate move in.

Tate himself is a product of a society that many young men think it hates them.

No its because less and less people believe god exists. Why am I not surprised you call yourself a christian.

Btw I am a Christian. But because the churches are so weak, even on Scripture, there is no guidance, especially for men.

Do you know how bonkers that sounds to people that dont believe in god?

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

There is currently a crisis in Western Christianity, very few young men are becoming active Christians.

Good. Less people believing in the super natural is a good thing.

If you don't believe me then search online because it is a genuine conversation happening in Christian circles today.

On the flip side there are more and more young men becoming Muslims, and one of the main reasons cited is because there is no leadership in the Christian churches.

How many? Can you show me any studies on this?

Whether people are Christians, atheists or others, this is a Christian society. The more the church goes down this path of trying to please everyone it'll please no one. Btw I am a Christian. But because the churches are so weak, even on Scripture, there is no guidance, especially for men.

I'm mentioning religion in the conversation because it's one of the big planks of society that isn't there for men anymore. When a gap opens up then people like Tate move in.

Tate himself is a product of a society that many young men think it hates them.

No its quickly becoming a secular society, in fact I'd argue we are already there. This is a good thing.

 

[Fubsy]

Society has swung straight past the secular mid point.

Traditional religions may be taking a back seat but new belief systems are being formed, practiced and preached.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Society has swung straight past the secular mid point.

Traditional religions may be taking a back seat but new belief systems are being formed, practiced and preached.

Such as?

 

[Fubsy]

Such as?

Think of things you can't criticise.

Those things.

Edit: you can criticise them, but you'll be called a 'heretic' and have to deal with the accompanying shunning, ostracism and public shaming. So most members of society are toeing the line to avoid these things through fear. The moment the traditional religions lost this power we started towards secularism, but opened up a vacuum for other belief systems.

Edit2: coming back to this again, the mods on here once again have 'disappeared' a thread discussing transgenderism. It's clear there is a policy in place that when the discussion on this topic goes one way instead of pushing back it's just removed. This is because the toxicity of the subject matter is bad for business, so they want nothing to do with it. I'd just prefer the mods to update the rules with 'no posts about trans' or define 'transphobia' in the rules so people clearly know how to behave.

 

[Tony Edwards]

Think of things you can't criticise.

Those things.

Racism?

 

[D.P.]

Think of things you can't criticise.

Those things.

no, you will have to help us out, can you specify these things

 

[Fubsy]

Racism?

Racism is criticised all the time

Do you mean anti-racism?

 

[Fubsy]

Even Tate.inc is a belief system (just realised the thread I was in ).

 

[GGizmo]

It's not normal for men to not have close male friends.

There as been threads on the forum in the past where men have been saying they have no friends, that they are lonely.

I've noticed a lot of men these days see their identity through the woman they are with. These men tend to drop their male friend's immediately a woman comes in to their orbit. The problem then happens if the woman dumps them. It's seen by these men as an insult to their core identity. This can then result in violence towards the woman or self inflicted violence. They have no social cushion to fall back on.

Then they see someone like Tate who doesn't rely on relationships to define him. Relationship opportunities tend to come when you're not looking for them. So Tate is being seen as some kind of guru who as found the formula.

All what needs to happen to bypass Tate is men/boys need to be encouraged to socialise with other males from an early age. To help them build up their own personality.

Nobody should be relying on the person you're in, or want to be in, a relationship with should be defining your identity. That goes for men and women.

 

[unwashed potato!]

It's not normal for men to not have close male friends.

There as been threads on the forum in the past where men have been saying they have no friends, that they are lonely.

I've noticed a lot of men these days see their identity through the woman they are with. These men tend to drop their male friend's immediately a woman comes in to their orbit. The problem then happens if the woman dumps them. It's seen by these men as an insult to their core identity. This can then result in violence towards the woman or self inflicted violence. They have no social cushion to fall back on.

Then they see someone like Tate who doesn't rely on relationships to define him. Relationship opportunities tend to come when you're not looking for them. So Tate is being seen as some kind of guru who as found the formula.

All what needs to happen to bypass Tate is men/boys need to be encouraged to socialise with other males from an early age. To help them build up their own personality.

Nobody should be relying on the person you're in, or want to be in, a relationship with should be defining your identity. That goes for men and women.

Do you feel any of these views are partly because of your own views? Rather than someone else's experience that you view?

I wonder how many life times you've lived? Because the whole "x thing these days" I find funny, especially when it's spoken by a 30 something year old. Like how was it in the 50s? The 30s? The 80s? They don't know they were only 30 once, 20 once, and yet they are comparing "these days" to something they didn't live

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

It's not normal for men to not have close male friends.

There as been threads on the forum in the past where men have been saying they have no friends, that they are lonely.

I've noticed a lot of men these days see their identity through the woman they are with. These men tend to drop their male friend's immediately a woman comes in to their orbit. The problem then happens if the woman dumps them. It's seen by these men as an insult to their core identity. This can then result in violence towards the woman or self inflicted violence. They have no social cushion to fall back on.

Then they see someone like Tate who doesn't rely on relationships to define him. Relationship opportunities tend to come when you're not looking for them. So Tate is being seen as some kind of guru who as found the formula.

All what needs to happen to bypass Tate is men/boys need to be encouraged to socialise with other males from an early age. To help them build up their own personality.

Nobody should be relying on the person you're in, or want to be in, a relationship with should be defining your identity. That goes for men and women.

That isn't something new. Some people have always been like that, the difference is they now feel they can speak about it where as years ago men didn't feel they could speak about such things without being mocked. Sorry but I'm not seeing/hearing anything new here other than men now feel its ok to say they feel this way. Isn't that a good thing?

 

[GGizmo]

That isn't something new. Some people have always been like that, the difference is they now feel they can speak about it where as years ago men didn't feel they could speak about such things without being mocked. Sorry but I'm not seeing/hearing anything new here other than men now feel its ok to say they feel this way. Isn't that a good thing?

Seen as you've rebuffed my attempted explanation of why kids are following Tate, with all the consequences that entails, I'd be interested to see what your opinion on why, and more importantly how do we solve it?

I'm genuinely interested because though I don't care for the way Tate goes about things I'm concerned about the increased objectification of young people and its negative impact on their lives.

 

[unwashed potato!]

Seen as you've rebuffed my attempted explanation of why kids are following Tate, with all the consequences that entails, I'd be interested to see what your opinion on why, and more importantly how do we solve it?

I'm genuinely interested because though I don't care for the way Tate goes about things I'm concerned about the increased objectification of young people and its negative impact on their lives.

Are you saying 20 years ago, had social media been the same then as it is now, people wouldn't have followed tate? And what about 40 years ago, 60 years ago, social media exactly as it is today, tate wouldn't have been followed by young men?