Team Group Dark Pro "8 Pack Edition" 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-25600C14 3200MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black

glnn_23 · 29 May 2020 at 23:34

I have run 3800c14 16 14 14 with both 2x8Gb and 4x8Gb with 3900x and Asus C8H using TridentZ 4266c19 1.47 Vdimm. I found what was important to get the 32Gb running the same timings as 16Gb was getting the appropriate CAD Bus Strength, RTT and ProcODT right. Also increasing vddg iod a bit.

I might try 4 of the new 3600c14 ripper edition sticks.

Troezar · 30 May 2020 at 06:12

glnn_23 said:
I have run 3800c14 16 14 14 with both 2x8Gb and 4x8Gb with 3900x and Asus C8H using TridentZ 4266c19 1.47 Vdimm. I found what was important to get the 32Gb running the same timings as 16Gb was getting the appropriate CAD Bus Strength, RTT and ProcODT right. Also increasing vddg iod a bit.

I might try 4 of the new 3600c14 ripper edition sticks.

I'd be interested to see what results you got.

glnn_23 · 30 May 2020 at 07:53

A couple of shots settings I've been playing with

With 4 sticks @ 3800c14 was difficult to run GDM Disabled and 1T. So I think it's actually better to run GDM disabled and 2T than GDM enabled and 1T.

Shac · 30 May 2020 at 16:24

Looking at that the 2t version took 2:19.35 to complete Testmem at 2.9 sec / Gb.

The 1t variant took 1:03.45 to complete at 3.2 sec / Gb
Your read and write times in Aida are also faster with the 1T variant.
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Is it totally game stable at these timings ?

However I note the runs are different config as the 1T was with 16Gb and the 2T with 32 Gb so not directly comparable.

Are we to assume that 1T with No gear down with 32Gb was not stable ?

I run my timings at 16.16.16 1t GD enabled and get faster read and write scores and a much faster time for Testmem5 V0.12
Your latency is lower though. I have yet to find the combination to enable tCL 14 at 3800 with 32gb

Angel_Rex · 13 Dec 2020 at 10:41

Just revisiting this forum as I bought the 14-14-14-31 3200mhz pack back in 2018 and it's been rock solid in my Intel STRIX 370-F board with mny 8600k @ 4.6 until recently. I've not done anything except XMP profile, is it worth tweaking more? If so, any suggetions?

From what I gather, my sticks wont do 3600mhz cas 14 and the difference between 3200@ 14 and 3600@16 is very little, so is it easier to set the cas lower and bump volts or just leave be?

Thanks in advance

Apone70 · 13 Dec 2020 at 10:50

You might get away with the ripped timings for 3600mhz. CAS 14-15-15-35 Timings, 1.40-1.50v

Griff7520 · 13 Dec 2020 at 11:10

here is a couple off different timings i have with my set. I used dram calculator to a full set of timings.
3600

nearest service station near my location
3800

It may give you a guide as to what the difference in speed makes

adrichardson81 · 13 Dec 2020 at 11:33

Angel_Rex said:
Just revisiting this forum as I bought the 14-14-14-31 3200mhz pack back in 2018 and it's been rock solid in my Intel STRIX 370-F board with mny 8600k @ 4.6. I've not done anything except XMP profile, is it worth tweaking more? If so, any suggetions?

From what I gather, my sticks wont do 3600mhz cas 14 and the difference between 3200@ 14 and 3600@16 is very little, so is it easier to set the cas lower and bump volts or just leave be?

Thanks in advance

If you can't get 3600, try 3200 c13.

Angel_Rex · 13 Dec 2020 at 12:34

I'll have a go, cheers.

Initially tweaked from

14-14-14-31 2t
To
14-14-14-28 1t

All seems good and a healthy bump too on memory mark. Just need to prime 95 mem stress it and another

adrichardson81 · 13 Dec 2020 at 13:31

Angel_Rex said:
I'll have a go, cheers.

Initially tweaked from

14-14-14-31 2t
To
14-14-14-28 1t

All seems good and a healthy bump too on memory mark. Just need to prime 95 mem stress it and another

I think I got to 13/13/13/29 at 1t in the end. The ryzen calculator safe timings were pretty good for me.

Angel_Rex · 13 Dec 2020 at 14:03

I've used mem test and it's showing an error after 30 mins at 1t at 14-14-14-31 1t

Tried volts up to 1.44 and still same

Could these have developed a fault?

adrichardson81 · 13 Dec 2020 at 15:41

Possibly - they should be rated for c14 1t at 1.35v. What's your SOC voltage? Do you have gear down mode enabled?

Angel_Rex · 13 Dec 2020 at 15:53

I'm on an Intel Z370 strix-f board. Soc voltage is auto, which I thinks at 1.2 for auto, would need to check bios.

At 14-14-14-31 2t it's errors on memtest at 10%

I'll message ocuk and see what they say.

Edit: just checked bios, auto which shows as 1.232 for vccio and system agent

adrichardson81 · 13 Dec 2020 at 16:08

Yeah sounds like a bad stick sadly.

Angel_Rex · 13 Dec 2020 at 16:13

I've sent a webnote to ocuk, will see what they come back with.

Angel_Rex · 8 Feb 2021 at 11:40

OK, So it's not stable at 1T. OCUK says they are rated to 2T.

What does everyone run their tRFC at? Just noticed default is 560! A brief read says it could be 200-300 @ 3200MHz.

Zwer54 · 8 Feb 2021 at 11:45

Angel_Rex said:
OK, So it's not stable at 1T. OCUK says they are rated to 2T.

What does everyone run their tRFC at? Just noticed default is 560! A brief read says it could be 200-300 @ 3200MHz.

This depends on the motherboard how it would configure automatically but the best performance you will get if you manually enter all the parameters.

Joxeon · 8 Feb 2021 at 11:50

Angel_Rex said:
OK, So it's not stable at 1T. OCUK says they are rated to 2T.

What does everyone run their tRFC at? Just noticed default is 560! A brief read says it could be 200-300 @ 3200MHz.

I have the same sticks running at 3800/16 on ryzen, I changed trfc to 280 as the default is quite high.

You could always try and go for 4000/16.

Angel_Rex · 8 Feb 2021 at 12:13

Joxeon said:
I have the same sticks running at 3800/16 on ryzen, I changed trfc to 280 as the default is quite high.

You could always try and go for 4000/16.

I have the original https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...3200mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-08l-tg.html Not the ripped.

Currently Running XMP 14-14-14-31 @ 3200MHz with tRFC @ 416 with 1.35v on a Z370-F gaming intel board.

I'm not a noob with overclocking, but never really played with the RAM settings outside of XMP. From what I gather 3600@16 is the same performance at 3200@14

Realistically, is it any better for gaming changing 3200@14 to 3800@16?

Joxeon · 8 Feb 2021 at 12:19

Angel_Rex said:
I have the original https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...3200mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-08l-tg.html Not the ripped.

Currently Running XMP 14-14-14-31 @ 3200MHz with tRFC @ 416 with 1.35v on a Z370-F gaming intel board.

I'm not a noob with overclocking, but never really played with the RAM settings outside of XMP. From what I gather 3600@16 is the same performance at 3200@14

Realistically, is it any better for gaming changing 3200@14 to 3800@16?

If you play at a higher resolution like 4K then memory speed will make little difference but at lower resolutions there is some gains to be had.

In testing my 3200/14 kit the fastest I was able to get it up was 4400mhz "possibly due to board limitation as I'm on a B450" but since with ryzen your limited to the FCLK speed then 3800 is the best I can currently do run without incurring a latency penalty.

Intel though should be able to run 4000 without an issue so this is what I'd shoot for as you will probably find 4000/16 is easier to run and requires less voltage than 3600/14 while providing a bit more performance.