Terra Nova

Swordfish said:
It's TV - everything is possible.



It's TV - people don't want to know how it works.



It's TV - People don't care.



It's TV - this will cut down the number of episodes.


Otherwise it's fine for a watch.
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So you are essentially saying its ok to be **** because its on TV? :confused:

BSG, Most Star Trek, Babolyn 5, SG, Firefly and many others wern't ****, I should get into the game though if you are allowed to produce garbage and it be acceptable because its on TV. Must be easy to pitch to those big TV bosses "hey my show is ****, but its for TV" "YOURE ON!!!!" makes you wonder why good shows were canned? :confused:
 
No1newts said:
So you are essentially saying its ok to be **** because its on TV? :confused:

BSG, Most Star Trek, Babolyn 5, SG, Firefly and many others wern't ****, I should get into the game though if you are allowed to produce garbage and it be acceptable because its on TV. Must be easy to pitch to those big TV bosses "hey my show is ****, but its for TV" "YOURE ON!!!!" makes you wonder why good shows were canned? :confused:
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While i love all of the shows you mentioned, they all have their own gaping plot holes where things weren't explained or fleshed out. Some of those holes were quite amateur as well.

While i think people have some valid concerns, especially about stuff thats been done over and over again, i think holes are being picked just for the sake of finding faults. But this is usually what happens with Sci Fi and Fantasy. That's fandom for you.
 
PanMaster said:
Very disappointing so far:

-Time travel is impossible due to cause and effect.
-The time fracture/portal device isn't very convincing. Only brief, vague explanation is given. No idea how it works.
-It is unkown how communications are sent from Terra Nova to 2159.
-Dinosaurs shouldn't be a threat against 22nd century weaponry.
-Why doesn't the commander wipe out the Sixers given they're outnumbered at least 9:1?
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If you're incapable of suspending belief for 42 minutes then I advise you not to watch anymore sci-fi.
 
Demoniser said:
While i love all of the shows you mentioned, they all have their own gaping plot holes where things weren't explained or fleshed out. Some of those holes were quite amateur as well. .
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I would agree to the fact that everything does have plot holes, though I would disagree with the amateur side. They tended to be smaller things which could be explainted away/pushed aside because they were not integral. I only take such exception with this show because the plot holes have appeared on the first 2 episodes and are quite obvious ones rather than odds and sods.

Anyhoo I think I'll just have to agree to disagree with those of you who like it as we probably aren't going to convince one another :) Enjoy and I will keep an eye on the thread to see if things improve!
 
Swordfish said:
It's TV - everything is possible.



It's TV - people don't want to know how it works.



It's TV - People don't care.



It's TV - this will cut down the number of episodes.


Otherwise it's fine for a watch.
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I feeel Professer farnsworth describes it bettter nothing is impossible if you can imagine it and at the end of the day books, games, TV hell even music is a medium for expressing imagination for the purpose of entertainment sure it may not be everyones cup of tea but **** happens
 
dmpoole said:
If you're incapable of suspending belief for 42 minutes then I advise you not to watch anymore sci-fi.
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Well, that's the point really - well-made sci-fi will *allow* you to suspend disbelief, as it will have an inner consistency, depth and detail which will paint the "world" in a convincing fashion and allow the reader/viewer to immerse themselves in it. Furthermore, the writers will have done their research properly, and the speculative parts "may" theoretically be conceivable even if rather far-fetched, or at least they won't drive a coach and horses through the presently known laws of physics.

However, when there are blatant, glaring impossibilities that anyone with even the most basic grasp of scientific principles can see, the whole illusion then just collapses like a house of cards. It's made all the more jarring when the errors are so crass that it appears as though the writers/producers just don't care, as if they were treating their target audience with a certain degree of contempt.

Having said that, I don't think TN is (yet) the worst I've seen, which admittedly is to damn it with faint praise... not convinced I'll stick it out, but for the time being at least it's sort of watchable, and there are enough mystery elements to keep me (mildly) interested. :)
 
No1newts said:
So you are essentially saying its ok to be **** because its on TV? :confused:

BSG, Most Star Trek, Babolyn 5, SG, Firefly and many others wern't ****, I should get into the game though if you are allowed to produce garbage and it be acceptable because its on TV. Must be easy to pitch to those big TV bosses "hey my show is ****, but its for TV" "YOURE ON!!!!" makes you wonder why good shows were canned? :confused:
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I did not say it was **** - that is your opinion I was merely saying that you need you need to forget the limits of reality when it comes to the science. Hence the name science FICTION.

As for good canned shows that would make for a very very long thread.
 
-Why doesn't the commander wipe out the Sixers given they're outnumbered at least 9:1?
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They dont know where the sixers base camp is located, all we know is that they control a quarry of some sort. Doesn't mean they're camping there.
 
So most of your points are based around laser weapons and other stuff we have no idea if they have them.
Sic-fi doesn't always mean super advanced tech in all areas.
 
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Swordfish said:
It's TV - everything is possible.



It's TV - people don't want to know how it works.



It's TV - People don't care.



It's TV - this will cut down the number of episodes.


Otherwise it's fine for a watch.
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What an old fashioned attitude to have towards TV.
 
Far to much moaning here.

I watched it. I wasn't going to watch it as i thought it looked like cheese. Then I decided to watch it as i like the idea of humans starting afresh in the wild so to speak.

Anyway it was cheese and i hate the teenage garbage which always seems to dominate amercian shows, however i still enjoyed it!

looking forward to more cheese.
 
AcidHell2 said:
Yes it is teeny and pretty obvious but then it looks like that is the target episode.
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And that's the problem.

It doesn't matter if its predictable and full of plot holes, because the target audience won't notice and even if they did they wouldn't care.

Proper Sci-Fi doesn't make enough money for the big companies to be interested, and the pre-historic setting is just another way to distinguish it from all the other teen dramas.

Honestly I don't think anything is going to change in later episodes, although i'd happily be proved wrong.
 
There is suspending belief and obeying your own internal logic. Time travel ok but people living in a World with amazingly dangerous animals just sneaking outside of the 30 foot high safety fence for a picnic. That just defies belief, they should have been eaten long before the 10th bunch turned up.

Also your starting a new civilisation off away from the massive industrial complex of before but everyone gets their own 5 star bungalow? Everyone should be living in cramped crappy quarters for decades unless you explain why this magic industrial feat can be accomplished, its just sloppy writing.

BSG and SGU may be depressing in their own way but they are also very good and depite the fantastic premise they by and large obey their own internal logic. I find it easier to believe the premise when the writers cherish it too.
 
No1newts said:
So you are essentially saying its ok to be **** because its on TV? :confused:

BSG, Most Star Trek, Babolyn 5, SG, Firefly and many others wern't ****, I should get into the game though if you are allowed to produce garbage and it be acceptable because its on TV. Must be easy to pitch to those big TV bosses "hey my show is ****, but its for TV" "YOURE ON!!!!" makes you wonder why good shows were canned? :confused:
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star trek and stargate both had about a billion massive plot holes/crap explanations. in the end though, it didn't matter i and many others still loved them.

on a side note was anyone else gutted after finding out SGU has been cancelled? :( there is literally NO good "proper" sci-fi anymore. BSG and SGU were the last. every time the US comes up with a truly interesting and original show they cancel it after one or max two seasons. examples: (just ones that i've personally watched, i'm sure there are more)

invasion
flashforward
firefly
the event
surface
stargate universe
rome

it's getting beyond a joke now. i've almost given up trying new series because i know i'll just get invested in the characters and then let down again when it's inevitably cancelled. the fact that terra nova seems pretty crap is another reason not to bother. there's really nothing worth watching for me now except the walking dead, true blood and supernatural. pretty depressing that of everything on tv i've only found 3 things worth watching.
 
PanMaster said:
Very disappointing so far:

-Time travel is impossible due to cause and effect.
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It has already been explained that cause and effect are negated as they have travelled to an alternate universe. In the very first episode.

-The time fracture/portal device isn't very convincing. Only brief, vague explanation is given. No idea how it works.
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A bit like the Stargate, hyperspace, transwarp, the tardis and every othe mcguffin in sci-fi. It's a plot device, not a physics treatise.

-It is unkown how communications are sent from Terra Nova to 2159.
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Already established that communication is only possible whilst the flaw is open, with requests for medical supplies being delayed until the next transfer.
-Dinosaurs shouldn't be a threat against 22nd century weaponry.
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They are aiming to be a low impact colony, not a full-on military outpost.
-Why doesn't the commander wipe out the Sixers given they're outnumbered at least 9:1?
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Because going to war when your aim is to avoid the mistakes of the future is a bit hypocritical.

Admittedly it is naff but some criticisms are a bit off target.
 
PanMaster said “-Why doesn't the commander wipe out the Sixers given they're outnumbered at least 9:1?”
Going by the very subtle communications between the Sixers leader and main colony leader I would say there is something more going on there yet to be revealed. There is a connection between the two leaders.


UncleBob said “It has already been explained that cause and effect are negated as they have travelled to an alternate universe. In the very first episode.”
It was explained in a way that made zero sense then later on they said he who controls the past controls the future or something like that, which goes against an alternate universe.



PlacidCasual “Also your starting a new civilisation off away from the massive industrial complex of before but everyone gets their own 5 star bungalow? Everyone should be living in cramped crappy quarters for decades unless you explain why this magic industrial feat can be accomplished, its just sloppy writing.”
Didn’t they say the colony is over 7 years old which is more than enough time for 5 star bungalows. They also said with the increasing number of people arriving per trip housing is going to be very difficult to get ready for the next batch of people.
 
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