That moment when you clock the van...

Poor guy :( I certainly don't look at my speedo when overtaking.

I'll wait until I'm sure it's clear or if I know after a corner is a straight road I'll sit in 2nd and probably go to the top of 3rd which is over 80 I think.
 
The most dangerous bit of that vid was when he decided to stand on the brakes, must have left £50 worth of rubber on the road lol
 
4T5 said:
No it is not.


I can & anybody that knows the law of the road will defend speeding to over take as it is Legal.

I did my big bike test early last year & it was one of the things I remember being taught. I suggest you check your facts before you call people morons.
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I would go with what others have said and that the speed LIMIT is just that. Overtaking is NO excuse to break it. If you had carried out an overtake during your motorbike test and exceeded the speed limit whilst doing so it is highly likely you would have failed due to speeding, at minimum got yourself a minor for speeding.

Whilst doing some advanced rider training during my bike days with the local plod the advice about overtaking is to complete the maneuver as quickly and safely as possible. They were relaxed about speed limits on the day and basically were watching to see if the speed we chose to ride at was safe for the conditions / situation. However they also told us that if we end up getting caught for speeding at some point during the day we'd have to take it on the chin. The speed limit is just that, a limit. There is no excuse I can think of that would mean you could legally break it.

Having had a bike that accelerates even quicker than that porsche I know how easy it is to get up to naughty speeds all too quickly. Whilst the road looks clear there are a few hazards / potential situations that could arise that would make me think twice about doing those kind of speeds during an overtake in that particular situation. The braking in reaction to seeing the van is something that every one of us would have done pretty much, especially if we knew we were over the 100mph mark. Just lucky for him that he had put sufficient distance ahead of the bikes for him to be able to do this.

We all know the rules and if we break them we have to accept that. You do the crime you pay the fine, it's very simple. We just all like to take a risk / chance now and then. This chap just got unlucky Mr Plod was there on that day, you cannot justify him doing 113mph, he broke the speed limit, end of story. Should have been fined for careless driving, in my opinion that's a tricky one. It looks as though there is a fair distance between him and the bikes before he brakes but you cannot see whether he checks behind before braking, my gut says he didn't as once he saw the camera van it would have been a panic reaction to slam on the brakes. I think that and the fact he was passing learner riders and there were pedestrians walking on the verge alongside the road didn't help his case much either.
 
I dont think you can blame the safety van Matt. It was caused by a panic reaction the driver had to seeing the camera van and knowing he was breaking the speed limit. The cause was the driver making the choice to break the speed limit whilst carrying out an overtake not the fact the van was there.
 
Gixer said:
I dont think you can blame the safety van Matt. It was caused by a panic reaction the driver had to seeing the camera van and knowing he was breaking the speed limit. The cause was the driver making the choice to break the speed limit whilst carrying out an overtake not the fact the van was there.
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it was a joke, sorry.

his reaction was due to seeing the van though

if he had lost control though, and gone off the road, but at say, 50mph (so under the mythic speed limit) that would have been the vans fault
 
and if he had been doing 60mph, there were crowds of people at the side of the road, lashing down with rain, standing water etc i doubt anyone would have batted an eye lid

why is there so much fixation on speed limits, a number beyond which nothing is safe
 
There is no defense for overtaking a group of learner motorcyclists at 113mph.
Arguments put forward above are ridiculous. Less time on the other side of the road? If it's hazardous being on the other side of the road then don't overtake, wait until it's safe to do so.
 
Tesla said:
There is no defense for overtaking a group of learner motorcyclists at 113mph.
Arguments put forward above are ridiculous. Less time on the other side of the road? If it's hazardous being on the other side of the road then don't overtake, wait until it's safe to do so.
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Less time on the other side of the road = less time exposed to the risk of oncoming traffic, the quicker you complete the overtaking manoeuvre the less time you’re exposed to additional risk.

Overtaking is one of the most dangerous things you can do, best to get it done quickly, rather than lounge around on the other side of the road.

In addition, why is a speed limit, which was decided when all cars had drum brakes, even relevant to today’s motoring?
 
what i think is hilarious about the posters in this thread is that no one appreciates that pulling out to overtake on a narrow road like that, with bikes on one side, pedestrians on the other, the road is unlikely to be perfectly flat etc... he has pulled out to give it full ******** and has full confidence that he has the ability to keep the car 100% in check in the event it decides to get squirrelly
if you dont know you have the talent to keep a squirrelly 911 doing 113mph 100% in check on a country lane whilst pulling a stunt like that, but chose to do it anyway, then you are a menace and deserve the book to be thrown at you, all of the books.
 
Sadly because that limit is much more easily policed than the other factors. You cannot argue when you break a limit and they have photo / film evidence of you doing so. That is why when I did my advanced riding we were watched to see whether we were using appropriate speeds for the situation / conditions. Obviously we didn't take the mick by going over the 100mph barrier but speeds used were higher than the limits at points in time.

His reaction was due to seeing the van and knowing he was breaking the speed limit. I will say though that I have been following people in 30 limits who are doing 30 and obviously day dreaming as all of a sudden they notice a camera and brake down to 20 even though they are fine to carry on as they were.

I still don't think you could blame the van for a driver losing control of their vehicle due to braking even if they were below the limit. Whilst the van may trigger a reaction from the driver it is the drivers panic / inputs on the vehicle that would be the cause to the vehicle going out of control. You could think of the situation you mention being exactly the same as someone slamming their brakes on in front of you. If you lost control whilst trying to stop whos fault would it be? The car in front triggered the reaction but it is the drivers actions that dictate the outcome. Sometimes I wonder if the emergency braking from 30mph in a vehicle is enough and whether a higher speed emergency brake part should be added to the car / bike test.
 
Matt82 said:
what i think is hilarious about the posters in this thread is that no one appreciates that pulling out to overtake on a narrow road like that, with bikes on one side, pedestrians on the other, the road is unlikely to be perfectly flat etc... he has pulled out to give it full ******** and has full confidence that he has the ability to keep the car 100% in check in the event it decides to get squirrelly
if you dont know you have the talent to keep a squirrelly 911 doing 113mph 100% in check on a country lane whilst pulling a stunt like that, but chose to do it anyway, then you are a menace and deserve the book to be thrown at you, all of the books.
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It's a dry road, which looks flat and straight enough, he's driving a car with huge cross-section tyres and 4wd, you would need to be quite special to spanner up when overtaking that lot, however what could have happened is a bike could have drifted onto his side of the road, but that's no different from anyother overtake.

I wouldn't play the do-gooder card, you post all the time about getting the backend of your M3 out on public roads, those in glass houses ;)
 
Firestar_3x said:
It's a dry road, which looks flat and straight enough, he's driving a car with huge cross-section tyres and 4wd, you would need to be quite special to spanner up when overtaking that lot, however what could have happened is a bike could have drifted onto his side of the road, but that's no different from anyother overtake.

I wouldn't play the do-gooder card, you post all the time about getting the backend of your M3 out on public roads, those in glass houses ;)
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im not playing the doo-gooer card at all, but you wont catch me pulling a stunt like that, not near other cars and pedestrians

and with regard to the capabilities of the Porsche, he is deploying a hell of a lot of firepower, a friend of mine had a 993 turbos years ago and that used to get squirelly from time to time, who in their right mind would take the chance of that car getting out of shape with all those people around and possibly not having the talent to keep it all in check?
 
Housey said:
It is the silly braking that made it look a whole lot worse. His exposure time was reduced as he used power to execute an overtake and in something with 420bhp (at least) that power is delivered very quickly. He seemed to be off the power quickly as he was pulling in so it did seem like a rapid overtake rather than someone really pushing on.

It was illegal and too quick, but I suspect most people hear have overtaken at say 85-90mph on an A road in their 200bhp quick (to their mind) car. Personally I would not have done the same with all those bikes but I have done rapid overtakes previously where I wanted past and in as quickly as I could and without the skid I suspect most people would view it differently, most certainly if they didn't know the speed...
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I agree with this.

For me the overtake wasn't an issue - and the stamping of the brakes makes it more dramatic than it should have been.

Personally, I may not have overtaken then, but to overtake safely even if the car/vehicle ahead is doing below the NSL, you should be prepared to breach the speed limit, providing you drop down to the NSL afterwards - it's common sense and good roadcraft.

I don't know the whole story, or can't see exactly the layout of the road, and how much traffic there was overall.

unfortunately, it was just a case of wrong place wrong time. The punishment is disproportionate, and certainly admitting to dangerous driving was unnecessary as performing an overtake shouldn't be considered such.
 
That stretch of road used to be a great driving road while going up to skeg. Over the past ten years it's had so many speed limits and camera's put up thats it not fun anymore. He was overtaking a group of people as quickly and a safely as possible. The most dangerous thing imo is the fact the camera van was there in the first place causing him to panic and slam on the brakes.
 
I'm in court later this month for my speeding last July, 96mph over taking a car in Wales ona straight piece of road... so 36mph over the limit. However I was overtaking when the copper got me.
 
Firestar_3x said:
In addition, why is a speed limit, which was decided when all cars had drum brakes, even relevant to today’s motoring?
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My opinion is cars may have moved on but the average standard of driving, reaction times and general level of stupidity have not.

Do find it crazy tho that in this day and age we are still restricted to an out-dated road model. No reason why we can't have express links between major parts of the country which are more like the autobahn - especially a link into the South West and along the path of the M1.
 
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