Soldato
I feel sick now 
*** The 2010 Gym Rats Thread ***
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Yep, that'll do it. That wouldn't happen on overhand grip, try it at home. Extend your arm and make a strong fist, then with your other hand feel around the elbow joint at the bottom of the bicep, feel how it's different when you rotate your forearm to overhand/underhand grip. You can feel where the muscle is under tension and still loose, furthermore, you can feel when the tendons are twisted. twisted tendon/muscle = weakness and chance of snapping under tension.
As per the video that's exactly what I was alluding to - hence my choice of double overhand even with straps.
As per the video that's exactly what I was alluding to - hence my choice of double overhand even with straps.
Associate
Hey guys, wonder if i can get some feedback on my sumo deadlift form? I've had some really bad trouble with my lower back since the summer (woke up to insane pain one morning with no obvious triggers). Pain still occurs and often my back can feel a little unhappy during deadlifts (so i switched to sumo, which still isnt 100% comfortable). I'm unsure if it's my form or just a weak lower back?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf1LEWw0gGw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf1LEWw0gGw
Looks spot on to me, good straight back looking at a fixed point, even the lowering phase was pretty good. I like to RDL it down to my knees then drop it, but I don't think you can do that comfortably sumo style. Nice hip/glute activation at the top of of the lift. Good to see you're barefoot too - 'tis the only way to do it! 
Good to see you're barefoot too - 'tis the only way to do it! IMO mixed grip is quite safe with good form, sure theres a slight imbalance, but if you keep to the same mixed grip then your building up the correct muscles anyway.
As for the bicep tearing, it can happen but when you keep your arms completely straight and untensed it is unlikely. Its hard to tell from the video, but it does look like his arm could be straighter, but it might just be the angle.
Hes lifting a 1 rep max, so its going to be extremely taxing, and I bet he felt the warning when he was mid lift, you can see he keeps going when the bicep tears so he should have dropped the weight.
I do hook grip upto my heavy working sets though, its a lot harder on the forearms and gives a great pump lol.
As for the bicep tearing, it can happen but when you keep your arms completely straight and untensed it is unlikely. Its hard to tell from the video, but it does look like his arm could be straighter, but it might just be the angle.
Hes lifting a 1 rep max, so its going to be extremely taxing, and I bet he felt the warning when he was mid lift, you can see he keeps going when the bicep tears so he should have dropped the weight.
I do hook grip upto my heavy working sets though, its a lot harder on the forearms and gives a great pump lol.
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Mix grip helps as it adds a counter rotation movement in the lift - but it's just not as good as double overhand of hook grip. However mix grip puts a lot more tension on the bicep than overhand grip - it's just basic kinesiology as I'm sure you know. I keep away from it - if I struggle with the hook grip then I hit the straps rather than do mixed grip if I can avoid it - albeit I'm not going that heavy.
Caporegime
GROSS VID LOL
Seriously, that is hideous. He just kind of looks at it nonchalantly.
Seriously, that is hideous. He just kind of looks at it nonchalantly.
Soldato
I tried the Fat Gripz out earlier this evening with incline bench and BORs. The rows were, as you'd expect, more difficult. I was really struggling to hold on to the bar with my usual weight towards the end of my final sets, in fact my grip failed half way through my last set.
However, what was really surprising was the way they affected incline bench. I usually do 4 x 10 at 60Kg after warmup, but I only managed 50Kg with these. But the main difference was the extra muscles I felt it recruiting. It felt like it was working my whole arm, rather than just tris and shoulders. It really was something else! My friend had a go and he just launched the bar forwards straight over his head and onto the safety bars on the power rack. It feels so different, I guess he wasn't expecting it.
Have you experienced the same Benny?
I also found myself automatically assuming false grip. It just feels so much more natural with these.
However, what was really surprising was the way they affected incline bench. I usually do 4 x 10 at 60Kg after warmup, but I only managed 50Kg with these. But the main difference was the extra muscles I felt it recruiting. It felt like it was working my whole arm, rather than just tris and shoulders. It really was something else! My friend had a go and he just launched the bar forwards straight over his head and onto the safety bars on the power rack. It feels so different, I guess he wasn't expecting it.
Have you experienced the same Benny?
I also found myself automatically assuming false grip. It just feels so much more natural with these.
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Soldato
We have a bar that looks about that thick at the gym. Its a right pain to move around though so rarely gets used.
Dun the gentleman in your Youtube link I want his physeek
!
I am officially as of tomorrow cutting, I'll be off to Sliming world lol as I am good at following instruction and useless at maintaining a sensible diet left to my own devises. I eat healthy wise, fruit, veg, lean meats I just eat to much of it
, I seriously have no self control.
!I am officially as of tomorrow cutting, I'll be off to Sliming world lol as I am good at following instruction and useless at maintaining a sensible diet left to my own devises. I eat healthy wise, fruit, veg, lean meats I just eat to much of it
, I seriously have no self control.
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Man of Honour
Dun the gentleman in your Youtube link I want his physeek
I am officially as of tomorrow cutting, I'll be off to Sliming world lol as I am good at following instruction and useless at maintaining a sensible diet left to my own devises. I eat healthy wise, fruit, veg, lean meats I just eat to much of it
Good luck mate, I suffer the same thing. I can happily chomp good clean food all day long, its just the all day long bit thats the problem
Good luck mate, I suffer the same thing. I can happily chomp good clean food all day long, its just the all day long bit thats the problem
Thanks Tom, I'm a comfort eater which doesn't help.
I used to comfort eat, so I can completely relate. I'm not going to condescend you with words, but just wish you the best of luck, though you won't need it, you'll do it.
Mansize- Pulling a thick bar really is difficult isn't it!
I found for bench they make everything feel about 10KG's heaver. Unfortunatley I've not had the chance to do some really slow negatives and am benching considerably heavier to gain strength whilst on my cut, so it's hard for me to judge. Though I did find when I squeezed the living daylights out of what ever I was pressing, pulling etc I could feel a lot more recruitment.
They're deffinatley worth the money. Likely due to cutting and leaning out I've noticed my arms becoming a lot more vascular but also the veins seem larger than usual. It seems silly to use a natural grip because your thumb struggles to wrap around properly. False Grip preacher curls on the EZ bar with the FatGripz is monster.
It's hard to judge as I also changed a few things in my supplements stack and what seems like new muscle is probaly just old now not covered by fat.
One things for sure these are staying in my workout for good. Money well spent.
I found for bench they make everything feel about 10KG's heaver. Unfortunatley I've not had the chance to do some really slow negatives and am benching considerably heavier to gain strength whilst on my cut, so it's hard for me to judge. Though I did find when I squeezed the living daylights out of what ever I was pressing, pulling etc I could feel a lot more recruitment.
They're deffinatley worth the money. Likely due to cutting and leaning out I've noticed my arms becoming a lot more vascular but also the veins seem larger than usual. It seems silly to use a natural grip because your thumb struggles to wrap around properly. False Grip preacher curls on the EZ bar with the FatGripz is monster.
It's hard to judge as I also changed a few things in my supplements stack and what seems like new muscle is probaly just old now not covered by fat.
One things for sure these are staying in my workout for good. Money well spent.
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Thanks Benny06 and Freefaller - i should be happy no form issues jumped out to you guys but it makes my back pain all the more mysterious!
My training partner and I are both stuck on 120kgx3 on the deadlift even though we're still gaining weight and other lifts are going up :/
He naturally wants his form checked too and opts for the conventional deadlift:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJdKqyI9kCw
One thing i noticed was his shrugged shoulders at the top of the lift. And a sudden deload of the weight (dropping it) might not be completely safe - correct?
My training partner and I are both stuck on 120kgx3 on the deadlift even though we're still gaining weight and other lifts are going up :/
He naturally wants his form checked too and opts for the conventional deadlift:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJdKqyI9kCw
One thing i noticed was his shrugged shoulders at the top of the lift. And a sudden deload of the weight (dropping it) might not be completely safe - correct?
His DL looks fine to me. Tell him to take his shoes off. Doing it in running shoes will make balancing harder as the sole will compress and it's also going to be tipping him slightly foward.
No need to shrug at the top of the lift either, I can't tell if he is. Don't pull the shoulders back during the lift which is what he might be doing giving the shrugging effect. Keep them back from the start.
I wouldn't drop the weight either. The negative is still an important part of the lift even when deadlifting (I think). Andy Boulton lowered 457.5KG so we can all lower whatever it is we lift
I'm not sue how healthy for the spine it is to suddenly be under massive load and then instantly not be.
No need to shrug at the top of the lift either, I can't tell if he is. Don't pull the shoulders back during the lift which is what he might be doing giving the shrugging effect. Keep them back from the start.
I wouldn't drop the weight either. The negative is still an important part of the lift even when deadlifting (I think). Andy Boulton lowered 457.5KG so we can all lower whatever it is we lift
I'm not sue how healthy for the spine it is to suddenly be under massive load and then instantly not be.
Associate
Just what i was thinking. Suddenly deloading a complex part of the body like the spine might do more bad than good. Ill forward the tips onto him and hope he takes them on board. Maybe then he will break through his plateau which should give me some motivation to get through mine
Just what i was thinking. Suddenly deloading a complex part of the body like the spine might do more bad than good. Ill forward the tips onto him and hope he takes them on board. Maybe then he will break through his plateau which should give me some motivation to get through mine
Try some heavy singles. This is mostly what I did when I first began deadlifting. Infact it's all I would really do. Kill myself with singles and then work back down and do some working sets. I progressed quite quickly thinking about it actually.
If you went upto 130KG x 1, you'd probaly find you get 4-5 out on 120KG as it sort of tricks the CNS system.