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Psycho Sonny · 17 Jun 2011 at 19:07

semi-pro waster said:
While I'm impressed by the graphics I think the question was why does it make a difference wearing shoes with nothing supporting the arch in your foot when compared to lifting in bare feet i.e. both surfaces are flat beneath your feet so why does it matter that one is the floor and the other is your own portable "floor"?

the inside of the shoe compresses, the floor usually doesn't.

so if the shoe is moulded to your arch, it will compress evenly, if it isn't, it compresses oddly compared to the arch.

Buffman · 17 Jun 2011 at 19:15

Psycho Sonny said:
the inside of the shoe compresses, the floor usually doesn't.

So you want an incompressible sole then, say one similar to the converses prior mentioned....

Psycho Sonny · 17 Jun 2011 at 19:21

The Craig said:
So you want an incompressible sole then, say one similar to the converses prior mentioned....

people can believe all the broscience they want, my physio told me that converse are the worst type of shoes i could buy, physio tested my knee, walking, squatting, a lot of tests and certainly knew their stuff. also was seen by orthopaedic doctor/surgeon, who did many similar tests before x-rays and MRI scan.

they certainly knew their stuff, they were specialists who had studied this topic for a long time, the knowledge they had on the workings of the legs was 10000x more than my GP.

icecold · 17 Jun 2011 at 19:28

Psycho Sonny said:
what is the deal with this heal business? are you saying shoes like timberland boots are bad for you? im asking this seriously as i have a knee problem which has got worse by incorrect shoes and incorrect bio-mechanical movement.

Only if it's significantly raised compared to the front of the foot.

Flat, incompressible soles are what you want.

Call it broscience if you want mate, but I'm perfectly happy wearing the shoes I do and my legs both move me very fast and allow me to squat large amounts of weight without pain. By that metric, my knee health is fine.

Look in my mobility thread if you want to fix your knees.

Psycho Sonny · 17 Jun 2011 at 19:34

icecold said:
Only if it's significantly raised compared to the front of the foot.

Flat, incompressible soles are what you want.

Call it broscience if you want mate, but I'm perfectly happy wearing the shoes I do and my legs both move me very fast and allow me to squat large amounts of weight without pain. By that metric, my knee health is fine.

Look in my mobility thread if you want to fix your knees.

its only one knee, it got injured playing football and apparently incorrect shoes and incorrect movement has made it worse.

i'll take a look through it when i have time.

this colour is horrible, but the first decent picture i could find

http://www.timberlandshops.com/images/products/shoes/timberland/30002153.jpg

good or bad?

Hedge · 17 Jun 2011 at 19:39

You made out that floor is better than a flat shoe, but how is it different. A rubber sole with no arch is no different to a rubber floor in most gyms. It's like a floor on a floor.

icecold · 17 Jun 2011 at 19:39

Well that's different, if you have a knee injury which had some downstream affects on your foot/posture/gait then it's possible that you need specific shoes to fix the problem.

Those shoes have more of a heal than I would be comfortable with tbh, especially if you wear them for extended periods.

Psycho Sonny · 17 Jun 2011 at 19:54

Hedge said:
You made out that floor is better than a flat shoe, but how is it different. A rubber sole with no arch is no different to a rubber floor in most gyms. It's like a floor on a floor.

depends on the rubber floor to be honest.

if its proper solid rubber and not that cheap eva foam stuff, then it should be fine, if its eva foam, then its bad. so you cant tar all rubber floors the same way, some are 5mm, some 10mm, some 12mm, some 17mm, some 20mm. some are easy to compress, others aren't. some are made solid others have a lot of compression.

Psycho Sonny · 17 Jun 2011 at 19:57

icecold said:
Well that's different, if you have a knee injury which had some downstream affects on your foot/posture/gait then it's possible that you need specific shoes to fix the problem.

Those shoes have more of a heal than I would be comfortable with tbh, especially if you wear them for extended periods.

thats not what has happened.

i got injured playing football. i am hyper mobile, the injury made me even more hyper mobile in that knee. my knee is perfect (cartillage, bone, etc). due to constant pain in knee, i started using my other knee a lot more, this caused muscle wastage in injured knee.

they also said i had a problem with my stance, my walking and my squatting movements.

i have zero problems in my foot or ankles, etc. it's all the knee. but if i dont adjust the stance and wear proper shoes it makes the knee worse.

also the patella in my injured knee is loose, most likely due to injury and muscle wastage. the patella is held in place by muscles, nothing else.

Freefaller · 17 Jun 2011 at 20:14

Psycho Sonny - I'm getting a bit bored of your crap input into this thread - and input in general. What are you about?!

N19h7m4r3 · 17 Jun 2011 at 20:38

Freefaller said:
Psycho Sonny - I'm getting a bit bored of your crap input into this thread - and input in general. What are you about?!

I have to agree.

Converse are terrible?!

Then why are pro powerlifters, and olympic lifters along with strongmen using hard abd flat shoes.

All proffessional shoes for those sports are also flat soles, that are solid and hard.

Anyone with an ounce of reason knows those shoes are not for walking or running, for that go to a proper sports shoe place and get shoes tested and fitted for running.

Freefaller · 17 Jun 2011 at 20:42

I want some adidas ironworks :cool:

Freefaller · 17 Jun 2011 at 20:45

Hard session today...

Deads

60kgx8
110x8
150x5
190x8
190x8
190x8
190x5

I just couldn't even get it moving for the 6th rep - just died.

I did some CGBP (only 90kgx8x4 sets) and some DB shoulder press.

N19h7m4r3 · 17 Jun 2011 at 20:47

Tell me about it!

I actually went into an Adidas outlet and asked them, they just gave me blank look and ask me what powerlifting was.

icecold · 17 Jun 2011 at 20:50

You actually shouldn't wear them, they aren't great for your feet/ankles/knees. They're basically a compromise for poor mobility. Which is handy as they're bloomin' expensive!

Freefaller · 17 Jun 2011 at 20:51

LOL! I borrowed a friend's pair - it was the nicest feeling in the world having that solid contact with the floor. Gave so much confidence, especially when powercleaning or squatting.

Maybe that's because for 5 years I've done it barefoot?

N19h7m4r3 · 17 Jun 2011 at 20:51

Ah don't worry mate I love my cheap ass converse All Star high-tops too much haha

http://buyweightliftingshoes.com/reviews/2010-rogue-rip-boot-shoe/

These look very interesting, they were designed by the help of Mark Rippetoe.

Freefaller · 17 Jun 2011 at 20:52

icecold said:
You actually shouldn't wear them, they aren't great for your feet/ankles/knees. They're basically a compromise for poor mobility. Which is handy as they're bloomin' expensive!

They are expensive... however, if you already have good mobility, surely it shouldn't be an issue?

burtie · 17 Jun 2011 at 20:52

I just lift in my socks, getting loads of ear ache about the holes in them from the wife though lol.

icecold · 17 Jun 2011 at 20:59

Freefaller said:
They are expensive... however, if you already have good mobility, surely it shouldn't be an issue?

Not a huge issue, but it's possible that you're tight somewhere you aren't aware of if you found them more comfortable. It's also possible that your squat mechanics don't fit your body perfectly (bone lengths, muscle/tendon/ligament insertions...).

Apparently there is a decent chance that they will mess up your functionality in other things though (running, for example).

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