Read the OP of the form thread.
*** The 2014 Gym Rats Thread ***
- Thread starter mrthingyx
- Start date
Associate
- Joined
- 19 Dec 2009
- Posts
- 1,701
How do you manage to deadlift in Adipowers? I don't do Oly lifting but they really help with squatting (front AND back) and power cleaning. But they're absolutely horrible to deadlift in so I take them off.
Deadlifting with a raised heel is pretty damn detrimental to your technique as your ROM increases as a result.
I paid ~£100 for mine (big feet). They've helped with my squat immensely and have opened me up to the world of cleaning. I wear them every time I go to the gym now (taking them off when I deadlift). I think they're well worth the money if you're serious about squatting.
Last edited:
You're absolutely correct, and this is precisely why I don't take them off.
If by detrimental you mean dangerous (for me), however, you would be incorrect.
No, it's a thing. And it's a very cool thing for power generation.
The key thing with the jerk is getting the technique right: it isn't a press, and the shoulders really need to lock out hard to transfer the weight through the arms to the back.
And it's a very cool thing for power generation.When evaluating power output, the studies I've looked at for Super Heavyweights (105+) indicates the greatest power is generated during the explosive element of the jerk... so they're a great exercise for power generation.
The idea is to develop the explosive element of a jerk in "isolation." From the front rack is harder because maintaining/stabilising the bar in front rack is slightly less biomechanically advantageous due to the much more upright torso angle, and losing some energy through the movement of the thorax (back so the bar doesn't smack the jaw, and then forward to stabilise the shoulders)...
With a BTN/rear-rack jerk, the bar just goes straight up and the body just goes straight down (effectively). This is why they can be much better to use for "non" weightlifters... i.e.every other athlete.
Split jerk? Neither here nor there. The split is easier for most people because it is the most stable (front/rear/lateral), whereas the power jerk looks cooler (and is much harder to get stable unless there's much greater precision).
The idea is to develop the explosive element of a jerk in "isolation." From the front rack is harder because maintaining/stabilising the bar in front rack is slightly less biomechanically advantageous due to the much more upright torso angle, and losing some energy through the movement of the thorax (back so the bar doesn't smack the jaw, and then forward to stabilise the shoulders)...
With a BTN/rear-rack jerk, the bar just goes straight up and the body just goes straight down (effectively). This is why they can be much better to use for "non" weightlifters... i.e.every other athlete.
Split jerk? Neither here nor there. The split is easier for most people because it is the most stable (front/rear/lateral), whereas the power jerk looks cooler (and is much harder to get stable unless there's much greater precision).
The key thing with the jerk is getting the technique right: it isn't a press, and the shoulders really need to lock out hard to transfer the weight through the arms to the back.
1g of fat is still 9kcal and there's still 454g in a lb so yep from a pure physics perspective 1lb of fat does contain roughly 3500kcals.
Yep it is but it still gives you a rough idea of what to aim for which is as good as it's going to get without expensive metabolic testing to figure out your exact requirements.
Careful - I think the OP is trying to find a reason for eating more by trying to obfuscate: "I can't possibly work out how much I should cut out my diet because it's really complicated ergo not worth doing. Pass me the dessert."
cu3ed: I jest, but it's an important point. Yes, the calorific value of fat is as stated, but to burn 1lb of fat will probably require a lot more than a 3500 calorie deficit, simply because the body will have to use up its existing carbohydrate and amino acid stores before getting started on the fat in a meaningful manner. In other words, to burn through a 1lb of bodyfat will actually require a fair bit more than the absolute value...
Well yes, I am a gym rat.
Just one of those office arguments that someone quoted, I tied to explain that fat doesn't just sit as "pure" fat in your body, and with x amount of glucose that would have to be burned before your body turns to the other energy source, it is not as simply putting in 3500 cals means that you can easily take 3500 cals out.
Just one of those office arguments that someone quoted, I tied to explain that fat doesn't just sit as "pure" fat in your body, and with x amount of glucose that would have to be burned before your body turns to the other energy source, it is not as simply putting in 3500 cals means that you can easily take 3500 cals out.
lol, yes, its jsut a "fact" i had never came across before and wanted to know if it held any merit.
SO what im thinking is yes, in perfect lab conditions pure fat would hold 3500 cals, but in real world working within your body, not as simple as that.
Ive given up on the office argument, some people read what they want to know.
All of them muscle bound Adonis' of course!
SO what im thinking is yes, in perfect lab conditions pure fat would hold 3500 cals, but in real world working within your body, not as simple as that.
Ive given up on the office argument, some people read what they want to know.
All of them muscle bound Adonis' of course!
I only discuss training and diet with my training partner (and you horrible lot), she's seen the results my thinking has got her so she actually listens rather than just regurgitates some crap she read in cosmo or some other popular source of rubbish.
Apart from that I don't get drawn into pointless arguments with people who have no idea apart from what they pick up from mainstream media, it's not good for my blood pressure.
Last edited:
So I have discovered, its not like an argument I want to win, im genuinely trying to tell them how they can still eat lots of things they like but reduce their weight/ fat intake.
It feels more like people want to justify how they look, not the reason for it.
It feels more like people want to justify how they look, not the reason for it.
People don't like admitting they're wrong they'd rather look for something to explain their fat, lazy flabby arse than learn something and put it into practise.
I thought i would ask some experienced lifters here: if you were going gym 5 times a week would you train a muscle group each workout with around 5-7 exercises on each or would you train 2 muscle groups per workout 3-4 exercises on each? i been doing 2 muscle groups per workout like this week:
Sun: Chest/Triceps
Mon: Back/Biceps
Tues: Cardio Day(i am going holiday soon so think cardio day is good here)
Weds: Shoulder/Legs
Thurs: Chest/Triceps
Should i change it to chest/back/legs/shoulders/arms with high volume on each?
I remember Freefaller telling me not to bother with arms/shoulders and just go chest/back/legs but i am not a heavylifter yet(60kg bench, 85kg squat, 90kg deadlifts..)...so doubt i would get them to build well from the compounds i do.
Sun: Chest/Triceps
Mon: Back/Biceps
Tues: Cardio Day(i am going holiday soon so think cardio day is good here)
Weds: Shoulder/Legs
Thurs: Chest/Triceps
Should i change it to chest/back/legs/shoulders/arms with high volume on each?
I remember Freefaller telling me not to bother with arms/shoulders and just go chest/back/legs but i am not a heavylifter yet(60kg bench, 85kg squat, 90kg deadlifts..)...so doubt i would get them to build well from the compounds i do.
Are you talking about bodyfat, or dietary fat?
Man of Honour
- Joined
- 5 Jun 2003
- Posts
- 91,561
- Location
- Falling...
Sycho I suggested that you don't need to focus on arms initially as you wanted to get yourself lifting the important compounds well. Isolation is fine if you want to concentrate on definition and size specific training, but overall, do the right exercises you will get some bicep/tricep activation. Sure, it won't be the same as an isolated movement.
You do chest and triceps twice - personally if you're going to do a body part twice, it either has to be back or legs. For every pushing exercise you should do at least twice as many pulling movements.
Isolation is fine if you want to concentrate on definition and size specific training, but overall, do the right exercises you will get some bicep/tricep activation. Sure, it won't be the same as an isolated movement.You do chest and triceps twice - personally if you're going to do a body part twice, it either has to be back or legs. For every pushing exercise you should do at least twice as many pulling movements.