The 5 year plan to £50k

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You can change at any age.
Last year I worked in a crap call centre with 80 miles of commuting for £14k, however now I own a business doing what I love for closer to 4x that.
I also have no real qualifications, I just followed my passion. Unfortunately my passion is British cars, so there's never a quiet moment... :p
 
I left school with nothing, did an apprenticeship as a welder and earned the grand sum of £50pw, (£1.30 an hour)

I quickly realised that life was going to suck forever so I forced change.. I found something that really interested me (Internet) worked for free for a time, did some qualifications, got on the ladder - within 3 years I was taking home about £40k, 9 years - and some of the worlds hardest exams later, I've more than doubled that.. Still doing what I love, doing design and architecture for ISPs..

Weirdly, along the way I never really had any salary targets, but I did have job targets, instead of saying "in 5 years I want to be earning £x" I said "in 5 years I want to be doing *that* sort of role" and focused on that - the money just came anyway..

Don't focus on money so much, focus on what you want to do and do it well - the money will come at some point, but you'll be doing something you enjoy which is worth way more.
 
You don't deserve 50k PA

You're absolutely correct, as of right now. Right now I don't even deserve the 27k I'm on. Totally agree.

I was trying to envisage a time in 5 years where I would be worth 50k.

Why not move out of your parents and let the independence give you the kick up the arse you need?

When I have saved enough for a deposit, then I would surely think about moving out. Until then moving out would hurt my future chances not help them.

However a lot of people have suggested that moving out now will somehow make me better off... and I'm not sure why they think that.

By moving out now I will:
Have a lot less money/ be able to save less, because I'll be renting. Rent here is about £500 pm for a boxy little place, no kidding. Unless I move away from my family up country somewhere.

Due to the above, probably have to leave my current job, as I really can't afford to rent in Truro. I don't have a car, so if I live elsewhere I'll have to pay to use public transport too.

Given the hefty financial penalty for moving out now, what makes it such a good move in your opinion?
 
I wish I could do **** all for 27k.

Instead I earn £16700 a year and use advisors seem to have to do other depts jobs now and have to be working our ass off (sat in a chair of course)

We don't even have access to anything other the MSN, so I can't sit on OcUK between calls (when there is a gap that is)
 
I wish I could do **** all for 27k.

Instead I earn £16700 a year and use advisors seem to have to do other depts jobs now and have to be working our ass off (sat in a chair of course)

We don't even have access to anything other the MSN, so I can't sit on OcUK between calls (when there is a gap that is)

For the last for 3 years I was on 15k (before tax!!!). I know the feel. I'm not letting that happen again, mind you. How long have been in your current role?
 
Why not move vertically within your current structure? By the sounds of it you're lucky to be getting that wage in Cornwall for doing the best part of naff all so why not get more senior, get paid more and hire other people to do naff all for you instead?
 
You're absolutely correct, as of right now. Right now I don't even deserve the 27k I'm on. Totally agree.

I was trying to envisage a time in 5 years where I would be worth 50k.



When I have saved enough for a deposit, then I would surely think about moving out. Until then moving out would hurt my future chances not help them.

However a lot of people have suggested that moving out now will somehow make me better off... and I'm not sure why they think that.

By moving out now I will:
Have a lot less money/ be able to save less, because I'll be renting. Rent here is about £500 pm for a boxy little place, no kidding. Unless I move away from my family up country somewhere.

Due to the above, probably have to leave my current job, as I really can't afford to rent in Truro. I don't have a car, so if I live elsewhere I'll have to pay to use public transport too.

Given the hefty financial penalty for moving out now, what makes it such a good move in your opinion?
Don't listen to people who go on about people over 30 still living with their parents. It is just moronic opinions by people who never had the choice, after all if you are lucky enough to do so it is one of the finest financial choices you will ever make.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/famil...iving-with-parents/2013/sty-young-adults.html
 
Don't listen to people who go on about people over 30 still living with their parents. It is just moronic opinions by people who never had the choice, after all if you are lucky enough to do so it is one of the finest financial choices you will ever make.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/famil...iving-with-parents/2013/sty-young-adults.html

if you want to be single and live by the rules of your parents sure.

also your autistic so your bound to prefer living with your parents as you likely find the prospect of living alone and being responsible for everything a daunting and anxiety filled nightmare.
 
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Don't listen to people who go on about people over 30 still living with their parents. It is just moronic opinions by people who never had the choice, after all if you are lucky enough to do so it is one of the finest financial choices you will ever make.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/famil...iving-with-parents/2013/sty-young-adults.html

Did you read that link??

Those living with parents were more likely to be unemployed

I really wouldn't say its a 'choice', many people would love to have their independance over living at home.

Oh and what if they pop their clogs and the house isn't left in your name? 65 and homeless, great.
 
Due to the above, probably have to leave my current job, as I really can't afford to rent in Truro. I don't have a car, so if I live elsewhere I'll have to pay to use public transport too.

On 27k, yes you can afford to rent. You're just choosing not to.

Remember what I said about framing and barriers.
 
Don't listen to people who go on about people over 30 still living with their parents. It is just moronic opinions by people who never had the choice, after all if you are lucky enough to do so it is one of the finest financial choices you will ever make.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/famil...iving-with-parents/2013/sty-young-adults.html

Yes, staying with mum and dad was the best financial move i ever made. They are starting to hint that if I want more children or dogs, that I should consider a move.
 
When I have saved enough for a deposit, then I would surely think about moving out. Until then moving out would hurt my future chances not help them.

However a lot of people have suggested that moving out now will somehow make me better off... and I'm not sure why they think that.

By moving out now I will:
Have a lot less money/ be able to save less, because I'll be renting. Rent here is about £500 pm for a boxy little place, no kidding. Unless I move away from my family up country somewhere.

Due to the above, probably have to leave my current job, as I really can't afford to rent in Truro. I don't have a car, so if I live elsewhere I'll have to pay to use public transport too.

Given the hefty financial penalty for moving out now, what makes it such a good move in your opinion?

Try not to look at being 'better off' as purely financial.

Right now you don't have much motivation to better yourself. Why would you? Everything you need is right there. You have a nice home to live in that is not really your responsibility, your job is where you want it to be and you are comfortable. Plus you are currently getting a good wage. Life is good.

If you are happy with that life, then keep doing what you are doing.

However, if you are truly (and I mean deep down in your heart truly) wanting to make changes, moving out should be the first thing you do.

Standing on your own two feet is beneficial in so many ways. Firstly you have the self-resepct and pride of knowing you are making it on your own and you are not hiding behind your mothers skirts. It makes you appreciate what a good life you had at your parents house, so you tend to be motivated to better your situation because, generally, when you first move out it is tough. When everything is your responsibility, it helps to mature your outlook a little and builds your character. If you are sick of looking at the mould on the ceiling and hearing the neighbours arguing it is a very strong force for motivation to succeed and get yourself into a better place.

All this business of not being able to afford to move out is nonsense. You can afford to move out but you are not prepared to sacrifice your lifestyle to do it, or take the risk. As a previous poster said, and I previously reiterated - you are too eager to talk yourself out of doing things with excuses. Don't tell us why you can't / won't. Just crack on and do it. The caliber of people who earn good money in roles of responsibility have a can do attitude. It is why they are successful.

Just look at the post made yesterday about the guy who realised his dream of being a train driver. You should read that and hopefully you will take some inspiration from it ( http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18614642 ).

I want to be supportive, but sometimes telling someone what they need to hear makes you seem cruel. But the truth is, you are your own worst enemy. You have to snap out of this overall negative attitude that you have about yourself and the way you approach your future. You also strike me as being extremely risk averse and usually risk averse people are not high achievers. I know you don't want to hear it, but living at home is not helping because it is like a safety blanket. You need the fear. You need the unknown, and you will be completely surprised what you can achieve when your back is against the wall and you have no option to just say "oh well, not to worry, mum and dad won't mind if I stay a bit longer".

It is cliche, but necessity truly is the mother of invention. Right now you have no necessity. You have no driving force to better yourself or make sure you succeed other than you are a bit bored in your current job. You also have nothing on the line, no real responsibilities, no risk.

So yes, whilst moving out may initially put you in a worse postition financially, it will do you the world of good in other ways. It also is far more attrractive to employers, and women ;)

Please don't view this as having a pop at you, it is intended to be constructive advice.
 
Don't listen to people who go on about people over 30 still living with their parents. It is just moronic opinions by people who never had the choice, after all if you are lucky enough to do so it is one of the finest financial choices you will ever make.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/famil...iving-with-parents/2013/sty-young-adults.html

Yeah, it may be nice financially, but in all other respects it is a hinderance to both your personal development and future prospects.

Not that it is by any means definitive, but the people I know who have never flown the nest, so to speak, and who are still living with mum and dad into their 30's and 40's are emotionally stunted, immature and selfish. They find it hard to form meaningful relationships because of that. They also tend to either be full of resentment for their parents and situation, or they have an unhealthy relationship with their parents where basically their parents treat them like children.
 
[FnG]magnolia;26685712 said:
Why not move vertically within your current structure? By the sounds of it you're lucky to be getting that wage in Cornwall for doing the best part of naff all so why not get more senior, get paid more and hire other people to do naff all for you instead?

He wont reply, he only replies to posts which back-up his own pre-formed ideas, or the negative posts which allow him to justify his own lack of drive.
 
[FnG]magnolia;26685712 said:
Why not move vertically within your current structure? By the sounds of it you're lucky to be getting that wage in Cornwall for doing the best part of naff all so why not get more senior, get paid more and hire other people to do naff all for you instead?

He wont reply, he only replies to posts which back-up his own pre-formed ideas, or the negative posts which allow him to justify his own lack of drive.

Not sure what I could have said in reply? If the opportunity arises to move up, there will be a post advertised, people will apply and someone will be appointed. What's to say?
 
Try not to look at being 'better off' as purely financial.

Right now you don't have much motivation to better yourself. Why would you? Everything you need is right there. You have a nice home to live in that is not really your responsibility, your job is where you want it to be and you are comfortable. Plus you are currently getting a good wage. Life is good.

If you are happy with that life, then keep doing what you are doing.

However, if you are truly (and I mean deep down in your heart truly) wanting to make changes, moving out should be the first thing you do.

Standing on your own two feet is beneficial in so many ways. Firstly you have the self-resepct and pride of knowing you are making it on your own and you are not hiding behind your mothers skirts. It makes you appreciate what a good life you had at your parents house, so you tend to be motivated to better your situation because, generally, when you first move out it is tough. When everything is your responsibility, it helps to mature your outlook a little and builds your character. If you are sick of looking at the mould on the ceiling and hearing the neighbours arguing it is a very strong force for motivation to succeed and get yourself into a better place.

All this business of not being able to afford to move out is nonsense. You can afford to move out but you are not prepared to sacrifice your lifestyle to do it, or take the risk. As a previous poster said, and I previously reiterated - you are too eager to talk yourself out of doing things with excuses. Don't tell us why you can't / won't. Just crack on and do it. The caliber of people who earn good money in roles of responsibility have a can do attitude. It is why they are successful.

Just look at the post made yesterday about the guy who realised his dream of being a train driver. You should read that and hopefully you will take some inspiration from it ( http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18614642 ).

I want to be supportive, but sometimes telling someone what they need to hear makes you seem cruel. But the truth is, you are your own worst enemy. You have to snap out of this overall negative attitude that you have about yourself and the way you approach your future. You also strike me as being extremely risk averse and usually risk averse people are not high achievers. I know you don't want to hear it, but living at home is not helping because it is like a safety blanket. You need the fear. You need the unknown, and you will be completely surprised what you can achieve when your back is against the wall and you have no option to just say "oh well, not to worry, mum and dad won't mind if I stay a bit longer".

It is cliche, but necessity truly is the mother of invention. Right now you have no necessity. You have no driving force to better yourself or make sure you succeed other than you are a bit bored in your current job. You also have nothing on the line, no real responsibilities, no risk.

So yes, whilst moving out may initially put you in a worse postition financially, it will do you the world of good in other ways. It also is far more attrractive to employers, and women ;)

Please don't view this as having a pop at you, it is intended to be constructive advice.

I was about to say the same thing. You're home and it's nice and safe and easy. The trouble is it's too easy. You have nothing to motivate you to be better as you're not struggling to get by in any way. This may sound stupid, but doing this on your own, and being worse off than you are now is something that drives you to want to better yourself and make sure you're not in that same position, without relying on your parents as your way to support your lifestyle.

Sure, I had help when I got myself in the **** and I went back home when I was made redundant, but as soon as I was working and paid off my debt I got from not working (it was only a few months so not too bad) I was straight back out on my own. I was worse off, by a long way, but a hell of a lot better off personally.
 
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