Clock watching cultures are unproductive, counterproductive and really need to be crushed. This is a cultural issue for companies, usually driven by bad leadership that seeks to control but I have lots of experience of creating cultures of working effectively to get the job done, sometimes needing more hours, sometimes lots more, but often meaning we have a longer weekend, shorter hour week or a couple of 'don't bother coming in tomorrow' moments. People who take advantage of such things don't last long, employers who get it right will have a more productive workforce in my experience. Good people want to work, want to do a good job, bad people wan't to work as little as they can get away with, without the first bit.
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Clock watching cultures are unproductive, counterproductive and really need to be crushed. This is a cultural issue for companies, usually driven by bad leadership that seeks to control but I have lots of experience of creating cultures of working effectively to get the job done, sometimes needing more hours, sometimes lots more, but often meaning we have a longer weekend, shorter hour week or a couple of 'don't bother coming in tomorrow' moments. People who take advantage of such things don't last long, employers who get it right will have a more productive workforce in my experience. Good people want to work, want to do a good job, bad people wan't to work as little as they can get away with, without the first bit.
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It's such a ball ache to get CEng without an accredited degree these days that it's almost certainly easier to just do a part time Masters than to prove yourself through career learning assessments etc.
Agreed. Then you apply for fellowship - that's just as much of a ball ache!!
Literally spat out my coffee.
I'm sure she does an ace job but you have to see the humour from the worker bee perspective
I honestly don't know what you're referring to with any of this.
"Making a decision that moves you up the wage bracket."
What decision?
"Grasps his career, makes the changes, takes the risks to elevate his career"
What does this mean? Can we talk specifics because on its own this means very little to me. What changes, what risks, what should I grasp?
Literally spat out my coffee.
I'm sure she does an ace job but you have to see the humour from the worker bee perspective
I don't think you guys under stand what management entails form an academic perspective. Management covers broad areas such as Economics, finance, accounting, operations management, employment law, CSR, environmental responsibility, Organizational Behavior, political science, marketing, sustainability, ethics, etc.
So to get a PhD in management and then to become a Professor of management you might do a PhD in economics for example.nThe same way you would o a pHD in physics or maths.
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1) A job that has prospects for career advancement.
2) Then make your best effort to be good at that job. This then means you'll probably end up being in with a shot at the next job up.
3) Get the next job up and rinse and repeat until you either can't go any further or you get to a point that you're happy with.
Its a fairly self explanatory process that the majority of posters in this thread have described step by step how theyve done it.
Foxeye, you can sit there wanting a good future all you want but until you're prepared to go out and do it, you'll just be sat there.
You're very good at saying you don't understand things when I'm guessing you know exactly what you're being told but don't have the drive to do it.
1) A job that has prospects for career advancement.
2) Then make your best effort to be good at that job. This then means you'll probably end up being in with a shot at the next job up.
3) Get the next job up and rinse and repeat until you either can't go any further or you get to a point that you're happy with.
Its a fairly self explanatory process that the majority of posters in this thread have described step by step how theyve done it.
Foxeye, you can sit there wanting a good future all you want but until you're prepared to go out and do it, you'll just be sat there.
You're very good at saying you don't understand things when I'm guessing you know exactly what you're being told but don't have the drive to do it.
....What does this mean? Can we talk specifics because on its own this means very little to me. What changes, what risks, what should I grasp?
You really need help with this? OK, let' start here.
Well as depressing as it is, I'll indulge those who asked for an update.
The cat doesn't "hate" me
But you guys want to know about my job progression. Well....
....I'm currently unemployed
Still want to move out of 2nd line and into something more interesting, but at 37 the major problem is people expect me to have progressed a lot further in my chosen field, with experience to match. If they want to train someone from scratch they want a 20-year-old.
So... for the time being, I guess I'll update my LinkedIn and see if I get any bites from that.
Tbh I still don't know what to learn about/teach myself at home, because I don't know which doors are open to me and which aren't. As said, it seems a number of doors are closed now because of age. I'm not sure if it's worth starting out as X, Y or Z, if by the time I'm any good at any of them I'll be 45
At this point I'm wondering if I've left it all too late. Like I said, it's depressing just thinking about it.
The bold bits, let's start with those as you can control them all.
To my point these are all things you can learn about, control and do something about. I don't intend to go through 16 pages to dissect your posts, but start with doing the things you are contemplating doing, stop contemplating your LinkedIn profile, do it in the next 30 mins. Write down what good looks like to you, what would be your ideal. If you can't, what would make a better job than you have to now. Then, work out what you need to do to get there. Stop finding reasons why you can't, that contemplating (read doing **** all) and make a change. Grasp your own life and do something with intent, not just playing at it or putting up reasons (see above) why you can't as they are just excuses, good people would get around those.
Any employer presented with a negative mindset or excuses because of what you perceive people expect or that won't fight those perceptions is not going far to my point. Also to add as I may have said previously, go see a doctor as they can help with depression, this is also something I have experience of.
I understand and respect it - but do remember how 'management' is often seen by 'worker bees' as 'people who don't do the job telling people how to do the job' - not too hard to equate that job title as 'the ultimate in being annoying'
Exactly. I could easily earn six figures but I'm much happier earning proportionately less and only working 3 days a week.
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At 38 years old I'm on less now than I was when I was 22, and not by little amount either, I'm about 6k P/A down on what I earned back then.
Chicken feed to all the high rollers here but I get by, long hours and bloody hard graft (physical) though, which isn't always great. Driving three hours to a job and then doing 8-10 hours of back breaking graft and having to drive three hours home again gets very tiring come Friday.
Chicken feed to all the high rollers here but I get by, long hours and bloody hard graft (physical) though, which isn't always great. Driving three hours to a job and then doing 8-10 hours of back breaking graft and having to drive three hours home again gets very tiring come Friday.
Everyday day life for most though
not really
Yes really.
nope, most people don't have a 3 hour commute and most people don't do 8-10 hours of "back breaking graft" for a pittance
what that poster described isn't "every day life for most" but rather an unfortunate set of circumstances for him
I agree, that's certainly not the norm.
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Funnily enough I was thinking about this this morning as I walked back to my block, in the last year my salary has doubled and is now up to £36k (age 25) important to bear in mind the fact that it costs me peanuts to live/eat tooUnfortunately there's no chance of it doubling again over the next year
Anywho, went to college, waste of time; hated it and my grades reflected that. never went to uni, nor ever had any interest in going
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Sorry I don't know which bubble you live in, I see this day in day out people working like the poster said, it's not nice, and this country wants us work like dogs until 68 doing hard graft for peanuts.
So they have to leave home at 5am, work from 8 until 6, then get home at 9pm? I don't think that's even close to a typical working day for 'most people'.
I expect 'most people' are doing boring 9 to 5 jobs, staring at a screen all day, no more than half an hour away from home.
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