THE 50K CHALLENGE: NEW MUSTANG ON THE WAY, BUT WOULD 50K BE BETTER SPENT ON ANOTHER MARQUE?

I thought the same way, then I drove the plus. There are loads of posts from me on this very website talking about the R8 not being my sort of car. Go figure :D

To be fair I am spoilt having the R8 and a supercar.

Very true, I am doing this wrong, need to get down to VW and get myself a Polo, no one will dare race me. :D
 
Having read the above, whilst I think the GT3 suits you the best for your requirements, it almost seems a bit pointless given you already have an absolutely epic track day car, are you planning to track the new car or leave the M3 for that task? (assuming you didn’t opt for the GT3)

Didn’t the old 911 ultimately go because track days in it were pricey - and I’d imagine risky - another thing about the 911 was something your mate Ben said to me when I dropped my e38 in to him for its work, we were discussing cars and yours came up rather than discussing you ,he said - and I’m massively paraphrasing here - whilst you liked the 911 it didn’t give you the pleasure you seek from a car, it didn’t to his mind put the smile on your face the M3 for example does.

Whilst the GT3 is very different to your old 911, I wonder if that would be an experience repeated albeit from a different angle....

Strikes me your almost deciding on the M3’s fate just at the point when you get it nigh perfect, I know you’ve not decided yet but think you need to think long and hard as to which direction you go, whilst I still think the GT3 is the best of the three your considering (it damn well should be given the premium!) I don’t think it makes sense for you even though it’s the one I see you behind the wheel of if that’s not a contradiction!

What a fantastic dilemma regardless!


The SVR I'd do one short track day, to experience it, but do I want to track it as such, NO, I don't see it as a track car, I mean it weighs 1800kg and is AWD, its a road car, not a track warrior.

Yes I hear what your saying about the 911, I loved it but in a different way it was more about its driving dynamics rather than loving it for being naughty, silly and stupid like a Mustang or SVR would be.
Yes you are indeed right, I've owned a 911, yes a GT3 is godlike in 911 world, but yet the fundamentals are still the same, just the lmits are higher and everything is sharpened and the senses become more sensitive, but ultimately its just a progression from my last 911. In a way the GT3 is more a brain purchase, done for depreciation and ability rather than a heart purchase like a Mustang/SVR.

Agree again about the M3, I don't want to get rid, it is my car, it is more my car than any other, I made that car what it is, there is nothing I have not touched on it and it is immaculate, I'd challenge anyway to show me a nicer and cleaner example. It has the very best modifications and it is fully restored using BMW OEM or better quality parts and is now fully resprayed. But even before I had it fully restored there were a few people offering me strong money for it which I declined, I may not drive it much but I most definitely do not want to part with it. Plus as it ages it will only continue to appreciate due to it being such an excellent example on a well modified E46 M3. End of the day its better than a CSL in every way and I can make this comment, I owned a CSL so know exactly how it drove and accelerated, give me my M3 any day. :)
 
Interesting response, re the CSL and what they fetch these days do you ever wish you’d kept it from a financial perspective or would you say it served its purpose but no regrets? Iirc you sold the first Mustang (666) got the CSL and then sold the CSL to get the 666 back - bloody high testament to the 666 if ever there was! - still remember the CSL outside Imex, and a mate of mine saying “oh look, a CSL replica “ I took great pleasure in pointing out it wasn’t a rep... :D

All I miss about the CSL is the colour and its originality, really like silver grey. But I don't miss the car as such, I far prefer my M3, which I guess comes from a ride comfort and acceleration perspective, my M3 really is much much quicker than a CSL, more power, less weight, shorter diff ratio, it makes quite a difference and of course the smaller and lighter wheels help. I love mine to drive, I gave it my mate for a few hours as he had a CSL years ago too and regular E46 M3's and was interested in one as a track car and weekend toy. It is the guy with the yellow 800HP Mustang, anyway he took my M3 for a drive and now he owns two E46 M3's, yes the nutter purchased two.

One he is restoring to complete factory stock and the other he is turning into a track car like mine, but he was blown away by my car, could not believe how snappy and quick the SMG was compared to a regular M3 and simply how quick it accelerated. If I remember right a CSL is around 10.5s to 100mph and regular M3 around 12s. Mine is just over 9.5s, it was as quick as my Mustang that had 500HP, so its really quick, that also makes it fun as the new Focus RS boys and other fast hot hatches see an E46 M3 as a target these days, so when your 15yr old M3 just destroys them, well they probably stay well clear of E46 M3's after that. :D
It was also fun on my NC500 trip in it with Mustang guys to pull out and overtaking them even on the straights, which is testament to how well it accelerates.

I am so excited to get it back, to just look at it and admire it. :)
 
Got an SVR on the way to me. :D :D :D :D :D

Great that they bring the car to me haha, don't even need to leave the OcUK helm. :D :D :D

Must be desperate to sell it, OK I take it, 70k. ;)
 
Ohhhhh. :p

I thought youd bitten the bullet!

Nope there is a few for sale and I know its going to depreciate harsher than some others, so if it is the car I want, I need to try to buy it as aggressive as I can to limit my losses, as such be the patient one, I have monies, they have a car they want to sell, I want to pay X and that is my offer, they either refuse and come back to me accepting in time or we just forget.

I was not planning on Mustang arrival until March/April or even May, the Golf was supposed to last the Winter and though it is exciting to jump now, better to think before leaping.
 
OK mind is blown, jesus christ it could not be further away from that V6S I drove and the sheer force and pin you in the seat was mind blowing. I need to calm down but what a car, really what a car it may be no faster than a 911 GT3, GTR but my god it feels vastly quicker, its savage, which I really like and any RPM, 1500, 3000, 4500 or 6000 and the thing just engages hyper drive.
 
Hi there

Some pictures of videos because easily one of the best stock sounding cars I've ever heard:

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So does it make up for what I disliked on the V6S, one being response and power from the power plant, absolutely this cars response is crazy, in normal mode it is more responsive and sharper than the V6S was in dynamic mode. This car just has torque and power everywhere, it just pounces like a panther, absolutely amazing how it will just jump and the acceleration feels brutal and really makes it feel lighter than it is.

It was harder to push the car hard with a sales guy, though he seemed to be loving it, but yes it is more planted and yes it puts all that power down amazingly well and it certainly feels more confident inspiring and it seem to be playful still but of course not as much, could certainly wag tail on a junction exit. :)

The thing I really noticed and I cannot explain why, is those here with DSG's, GTR's will know when you stop, if you want to launch hard and you mash the throttle there is what seems like a small delay/pause, I experienced this in V6S, GTR's I've driven, Mustangs and the Golf R with its DSG. Yet in the SVR the moment you press that pedal whether it is light or hard the car has catapulted there is no appreciable delay and that really impressed me, gearbox also seemed to be on another level it was snappy and instant on paddles, as quicker if not quicker than my DSG, again another surprise for a full blown automatic, in short this box I would never want for DSG, PDK it just seems amazing and the fact it has zero delay off the line is something I have not experienced in the PDK's, DSG's and other cars I've driven, it is just instant.

Acceleration is bloody stupid quick, 0-60 felt well under 3s, I know its not but because there is no appreciable delay and it is so brutal it just blitzes it and that pull never seems to stop, I can see why its a 200mph car. I never tried Vmax mode, I just checked if the rumour was true and it is, hold spoiler button down and the car goes into some Vmax mode, no idea what happens, maybe our resident Jaguar experts can give the low down what changes in Vmax mode?

It felt special, it sounded ridiculous, it when like the proverbial off a shuffle, still blown away by it, really made me want one, I love a GT3 but I want one of these too as this does things a GT3 does not and vice versa.

Also switching from normal to dynamic had more of an effect on suspension firmness it felt a bit hardcore, flat, firm but compliant. Pops and bangs did seem a touched more toned down though, but no doubt due to be drowned out by roar of the V8.

I've probably missed things, but yeah cannot really fault car or find bad parts about it. A dream spec would have the carbon roof as well as the carbon pack which this has and ceramics, though not too fussed about ceramics in case I need new ones, it is bend over time, but I do prefer the yellow calipers against blue paint work, so I guess that could be my mod, paint the calipers, LOL, cannot really do anything else, plus I'd not want too.

The dealership is really refusing to budge on price, but their finance offer is now far more competitive with my own friends offer and they have agreed on new tyres, service, new rear wheel (curbed lightly). So I am now talking about service packs to see what is the best they can extract and another 1% of the finance interest rate, currently at 5.9%, so pushing for 4.9% otherwise it is easier to go with my buddy who is at 3.5%, don't mind a touch more to keep it all in one place, just chipping away at them.

But yes if they give me the deal I want I could be driving an SVR sooner than later.
 
sounds awesome
still get battered by the golf though :)

Hehe, though I doubt it, even if 0-60 is same the lack of delay makes difference and after 60 hyper drive is engaged and when you look and sound that good anyway, I'd not be fussed if it was slower, haha. :D
 
Sounds like your sold on it! - it sounds epic through my phone(!) must be awesome in the flesh, I’m looking forward to playing the video through my pc’s sound system later!

Seat of the pants feel is everything and it sounds like it delivers that in spades, decisions,decisions but, that didn’t read like a review of a car your not seriously sold on!

I love it, just doing several things at once haha, the decision would be made in an instant, the only thing holding me off is if I decide to sell it in 2yr or 3yr what will it be worth and 40k potential value to me is scary as end of the day its a lot of money. The way I look at as 40k lost in 3yr is the cost of a Mustang, LOL.
 
Ace. Pleased to see you rate it.

I think it’s just drag reduction, the roadster only does 194 and personally I like glass roof for a coupe- Just gives the extra light inside.

Good colour too and look at the price of that XKRS. Remember JLR have given 3yearvnotice to Ford for the V8 production.

What does that mean m8? No more Jaguar V8 in 3yr? Also so the engine is Ford then? Is it the Coyote engine from Mustang?
 
Pretty much. No the AJ133 engine is a completely unique to JLR designed in-house. Ford simply made it as part of the legacy relationship and factory space at Bridgend. Of course JLR now has its own plant at Wolverhampton which initially made ingenium diesel to replace the Ford DW12 and now also does 4 cylinder petrol rather than buying Ford units.

So if no V8 in 3yr, will there be another V8, or are Jaguar walking away from V8 motors in favour of something else, if you are allowed to say of course?
 
Guys

Gonna play hard ball, I do want the car, but people saying it will be worth 40k in 2yr scares me, though I find that hard to believe based on current values of the very first V8S rag tops in the market which are not even rare or desirable.

Lee posted this some pages back:
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/jaguar/xkr/jaguar-xk-xkr-s/8129778

Is the XKR more desirable than the F-type SVR? If that can fetch 50k at 6yr old, then why an F-type at 5yr old would only be worth 40k seems a bit odd especially in a climate where used car prices seem to be increasing generally and not reducing.
Admittedly I'd never pay 50k for that XKR, but that is because I am not particular fond of the way they drive, but it does look good, but the F-type looks way better. :D
 
XKR-S at £50k... lol, just lol... no-one is stupid enough to buy that.

I bought a 2011 XKR-S in 2013 with 9,000km on the clock for 70,000 CHF (~£50k) and Swiss used prices are similar to UK.

Granted it was the less-desireable colour of white and the Swiss seem to avoid anything "track focused" like the "S" which brought it's price down a bit... but still... there's no way in hell I'd pay the same price 4 years down the line. £30-40k seems more appropriate for that... but then it is also more rare than the V8 F-Type.

This is more like it... the XKR-S has flattened out a bit:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classif...ar-xf-5-0-v8-supercharged-550ps-xfr-s/8132355

Super saloon, all brands depreciate like crazy on fast saloons.
 
looks good, sounds amazing.... still wouldnt buy it. Reckon the novelty will off and you will still want a porsche. Also, the tech in JLR stuff is woeful. Not sure how good Porsche is on that front.

Also rubbish, Mustang has better infotainment and dash then them both, but for me its a small part and perfectly adequate. Performance, noise, drive, gearbox, naughtiness are all on epic levels.
 
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I knew the older ones were crap, but id have thought they would have pinched the tech from audi on the 991. nvm. Agree its not top prio, but as a daily its gotta be pretty good - at least for me.

You seen the Cayman GT4? pretty much depreciation proof until the new one arrives and you could use it as your entry into a 911 GT car to get on the list. I reckon the new GTS will also be pretty good depreciation wise in the first year or so whilst the supply is low.

Yes 99% perfect, no auto, if it was PDK I'd be collecting a GT4 tomorrow, love them, but in fairness I'd never given F-types much thought, I had a bad experience, dismissed them, a Mustang owner talked me into trying again, drove one and was a bit smitten, drove the faster one and was blown away, plus love the muscle British car style looks they have just like how I love how a GT4 is a Cayman on steroids. :D
 
My Mustang did not have one, I feel robbed.
I personally love them as I don't see the wires and being able to instantly clear the screen on a cold icy morning is nice feature which is often up here in the north. :D
 
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