The AMD Driver Thread

GoogalyMoogaly · 3 May 2015 at 17:07

Final8y said:
Read the edit.

So why did tommybhoy suggest it?

To be honest it was just a question anyway, and then people decided to get defensive about it.

I just wondered if they'd updated it because I'd heard they were looking into it.

I noticed Nvidia did it fine and just wondered if AMD had yet. Apparently it's a ridiculous feature to want if AMD don't provide it though.

Dave2150 · 3 May 2015 at 17:22

Gregster said:
Nice forum

But yer, G-Sync or not, I hate micro stutter and get it. Like I said in the GTA thread, might be me but nothing I can do to stop it and that was with a re-install of windows in the end.

Thanks for letting us know.

So, in other words, both G-sync and Freesync both have problems and are not perfect. Nvidia's implementation is still ahead of Freesync, though it's been released for far longer, so it's only natural that's it's ahead in it's development cycle.

I think I'll hold off for the second generation of Freesync/Gsync technology - monitors with 2nd gen scalers, GPU's with 2nd generation hardware implementations etc, and hope for the best.

Ayahuasca · 3 May 2015 at 17:23

GSYNC works absolutely flawlessly on single card, I'd only hold off if you're a SLI user.

This is probably the reason AMD have delayed the driver due to microstutter/latency issues on crossfire.

shankly1985 · 3 May 2015 at 18:52

llamadal said:
of course, amd do nothing wrong, ever.

Did I say they didn't? Answer this do amd, make games? Is it AMDs job to get the most out of a GPU?

The correct answer is no.

Was they a problem with Farcry 4 that needed fixing beyond amd? Yes did amd after work with ubisoft to patch the game, yes
Did Farcry 4 get a patch that fixed crossfire, yes

So again why was it AMDs fault again?

Bah bah bah

Look the bigger picture once in a while.

shankly1985 · 3 May 2015 at 18:54

GoogalyMoogaly said:
Just wonder why they bothered with it at all, other than to say they had parity with Nvidia.
Nvidia goes past 4K so it doesn't seem that unreasonable no.

So if you can do the same thing by doing this, why bother with VSR?

The reason I believe is VSR is less of a performance impact, were SSAA is very demanding.

Final8y · 3 May 2015 at 19:00

GoogalyMoogaly said:
So why did tommybhoy suggest it?

To be honest it was just a question anyway, and then people decided to get defensive about it.

I just wondered if they'd updated it because I'd heard they were looking into it.

I noticed Nvidia did it fine and just wondered if AMD had yet. Apparently it's a ridiculous feature to want if AMD don't provide it though.

Explaining the reasons why and the differences is not being defensive, the problem is then your opinions you added which are based on not understanding in the first place and ignoring that others are happy with what they are getting so yes AMD still should have bothered.

Now to answer your last questions, NV and AMD are not using the same hardware so dont expect them to offer all the exact same features and to the exact same extent.

Final8y · 3 May 2015 at 19:01

shankly1985 said:
The reason I believe is VSR is less of a performance impact, were SSAA is very demanding.

Yes it is less demanding.

triss · 3 May 2015 at 22:08

shankly1985 said:
Did I say they didn't? Answer this do amd, make games? Is it AMDs job to get the most out of a GPU?

The correct answer is no.

Was they a problem with Farcry 4 that needed fixing beyond amd? Yes did amd after work with ubisoft to patch the game, yes
Did Farcry 4 get a patch that fixed crossfire, yes

So again why was it AMDs fault again?

Bah bah bah

Look the bigger picture once in a while.

Indeed IMO it is very much AMD's job to get the best possible out of there GPU's , Who else's job would it be :eek:

shankly1985 · 3 May 2015 at 22:25

triss said:
Indeed IMO it is very much AMD's job to get the best possible out of there GPU's , Who else's job would it be

The Developers, the guys making the games.. Its these who push the hardware. If it was all down to either Nvidia or AMD then we would never have bad PC ports. Every PC game would run sweet as it could be..

Its very easy to blame drivers, Mortal Kombat X dont support SLI or Crossfire atm its disabled while its worked on fixing bugs..

Who to blame here Nvida and AMD or Netherrealms?

Think you know the answer..

triss · 3 May 2015 at 22:40

shankly1985 said:
The Developers, the guys making the games.. Its these who push the hardware. If it was all down to either Nvidia or AMD then we would never have bad PC ports. Every PC game would run sweet as it could be..

Its very easy to blame drivers, Mortal Kombat X dont support SLI or Crossfire atm its disabled while its worked on fixing bugs..

Who to blame here Nvida and AMD or Netherrealms?

Think you know the answer..

So your telling me its Developers jobs to get the best from a AMD gpu. :rolleyes:

Guess we should also wait for monitor makers to sort crossfire freesync as its not AMD's job. Or do we blame Nvidia for that too ..

End of the Day AMD makes the GPU . They are responsible for make the best of it.
Not devs etc , Those game devs are responsible for make a fun enjoyable that runs on most software game that returns a profit to the company everything else is secondary, Yes they can patch some things sweeten the deal but thats all secondary.
Ever seen a AMD driver give a boost to a game?? ,Thats AMD working on making stuff run better on there product as they should if it was all down to Devs there would be no need for drivers updates other then new features..

Nexus18 · 3 May 2015 at 22:46

It is down to BOTH, not just the developer or GPU brand.

Plenty of games out there that run crap for both brands and it is because of the developer, not the GPU brand i.e. most of ubisoft's games

shankly1985 · 3 May 2015 at 22:49

triss said:
So your telling me its Developers jobs to get the best from a AMD gpu.

Guess we should also wait for monitor makers to sort crossfire freesync as its not AMD's job. Or do we blame Nvidia for that too ..

End of the Day AMD makes the GPU . They are responsible for make the best of it.
Not devs etc , Those game devs are responsible for make a fun enjoyable that runs on most software game that returns a profit to the company everything else is secondary, Yes they can patch some things sweeten the deal but thats all secondary.
Ever seen a AMD driver give a boost to a game?? ,Thats AMD working on making stuff run better on there product as they should if it was all down to Devs there would be no need for drivers updates other then new features..

FreeSync isn't what am saying is it :rolleyes:

Getting performance out of a game and using Freesync what is driver side is too completely different things is it not. :rolleyes:

It is not, it is down to the devs to push the hardware! How do you think console games push there graphics and performance so much! Try running GTA5 on a PC of spec of a PS3 lol have fun trying that.

GTA5 PC version Rockstar have pushed the PC hardware to get the best performance out of that! reason it runs so good across the board is because they put the time and effort into doing just that.

llamadal · 3 May 2015 at 22:49

shankly1985 said:
The Developers, the guys making the games.. Its these who push the hardware. If it was all down to either Nvidia or AMD then we would never have bad PC ports. Every PC game would run sweet as it could be..

Its very easy to blame drivers, Mortal Kombat X dont support SLI or Crossfire atm its disabled while its worked on fixing bugs..

Who to blame here Nvida and AMD or Netherrealms?

Think you know the answer..

You just won't have a bad word said about amd will you.

Sometimes developers fail to do the job right (lazy/tight timescales/poor QA or all in mortal kombats case) But most of the time it comes down to the drivers team to make the best of it. I have nothing against AMD, but not releasing regular updates to reflect the games available is just treating your customers as mugs

shankly1985 · 3 May 2015 at 22:54

llamadal said:
You just won't have a bad word said about amd will you.

Sometimes developers fail to do the job right (lazy/tight timescales/poor QA or all in mortal kombats case) But most of the time it comes down to the drivers team to make the best of it. I have nothing against AMD, but not releasing regular updates to reflect the games available is just treating your customers as mugs

Past week or so I have put across quite a lot bad things towards AMD! that am not happy with.. Things am happy with why would I have anything bad to say on that front. Am happy
Things am not happy about I will say.. Simple as that!

Phixsator · 3 May 2015 at 22:56

triss said:
So your telling me its Developers jobs to get the best from a AMD gpu.

Guess we should also wait for monitor makers to sort crossfire freesync as its not AMD's job. Or do we blame Nvidia for that too ..

End of the Day AMD makes the GPU . They are responsible for make the best of it.
Not devs etc , Those game devs are responsible for make a fun enjoyable that runs on most software game that returns a profit to the company everything else is secondary, Yes they can patch some things sweeten the deal but thats all secondary.
Ever seen a AMD driver give a boost to a game?? ,Thats AMD working on making stuff run better on there product as they should if it was all down to Devs there would be no need for drivers updates other then new features..

I would say the only thing AMD or nvidia is responsible for is providing a solid and as bug free as possible platform for the game devs to use. This include working features across single and multi gpu systems such as freesync among others.

What they are not responsible for is fixing the horrible mess that most game devs throw out now a days. But they do it because people think that if a game runs badly on their hardware is automaticly the vendors fault and not the game creators.

Its pretty shocking that even a good port like GTA 5 has to get some serious attention from the driver teams in order to work properly.. No wonder AMD and nVidia is waving their arms about at directx 12 and similar APIs as that will give them more room to focus on actual features than bug fixing everyone else's cr*p.

llamadal · 3 May 2015 at 22:59

Actually, you are right, you have been a bit more critical - I take back my comment about not having a bad word said!

Still, if amd want a bigger share of the market then they need to step up the driver support for the games in general and focus on features people use the most.

I doubt i'd go back to amd soon having got the swift and being very happy with it, but i'd at least like to give it some serious thought in the future when it comes to my next big graphics card purchase.

Noctifer · 3 May 2015 at 23:01

triss said:
So your telling me its Developers jobs to get the best from a AMD gpu.

Guess we should also wait for monitor makers to sort crossfire freesync as its not AMD's job. Or do we blame Nvidia for that too ..

End of the Day AMD makes the GPU . They are responsible for make the best of it.
Not devs etc , Those game devs are responsible for make a fun enjoyable that runs on most software game that returns a profit to the company everything else is secondary, Yes they can patch some things sweeten the deal but thats all secondary.
Ever seen a AMD driver give a boost to a game?? ,Thats AMD working on making stuff run better on there product as they should if it was all down to Devs there would be no need for drivers updates other then new features..

But that's only the case with current graphic API's. With Mantle/DX12/Vulkan there are no more driver optimizations. It will be up to the developers to do all the optimizations work that today is done by the driver.

thebennyboy · 3 May 2015 at 23:09

Noctifer said:
It will be up to the developers to do all the optimizations word that today is done by the driver.

With the standard of some of the developers work at the moment, that thought makes me cringe.

triss · 3 May 2015 at 23:13

shankly1985 said:
FreeSync isn't what am saying is it
Getting performance out of a game and using Freesync what is driver side is too completely different things is it not.

It is not, it is down to the devs to push the hardware! How do you think console games push there graphics and performance so much! Try running GTA5 on a PC of spec of a PS3 lol have fun trying that.

GTA5 PC version Rockstar have pushed the PC hardware to get the best performance out of that! reason it runs so good across the board is because they put the time and effort into doing just that.

Indeed IMO it is very much AMD's job to get the best possible out of there GPU's , Who else's job would it be

AMD's job to get the best out of there gpu..,, The best from there GPU , thats the best performance in games ,features and all other stuff, linux etc included.. ofc according to you None of that seems to be AMD's problem they should just make a product and walk off from it its upto everyone else.

Dont you think AMD work with devs for good game performance on there gpu's?? Or game devs just do it all... :rolleyes:

Lately it seems AMD has been late with drivers and whenever its questioned or others ask if a feature is coming its defended and all fine

Ayahuasca · 3 May 2015 at 23:18

Both the devs and the driver teams are responsible for getting the games running as best as possible.

When the performance isn't there then one of them is to blame, it's not always AMD/nVidia and it's not always the devs.