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The AMD Driver Thread

Ayahuasca said:
You've put across some fair points mz/x, just ignore the ones who simply respond with "that's BS" instead of offering a valid counter argument like some have.
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I call it like I see it. AMD's drivers delayed because they are sorting out monitor manufacturer issues? Come on, really? I would be really surprised if AMD were doing anything more than consulting at this stage. It's up to the monitor manufacturers to sort their stuff out, as Badass says, AMD have done their part with updating the driver.

I usually go for the simple explanations. Isn't it more than likely Samsung delayed their monitor release to coincide with the arrival of the new graphics cards from AMD?

And isn't it also more than likely that getting ready for the release of those cards is consuming a lot of AMD's resource, especially with a new windows version been released around the same time and the fact they are introducing brand new tech into the market.
 
melmac said:
I call it like I see it. AMD's drivers delayed because they are sorting out monitor manufacturer issues? Come on, really? I would be really surprised if AMD were doing anything more than consulting at this stage. It's up to the monitor manufacturers to sort their stuff out, as Badass says, AMD have done their part with updating the driver.

I usually go for the simple explanations. Isn't it more than likely Samsung delayed their monitor release to coincide with the arrival of the new graphics cards from AMD?

And isn't it also more than likely that getting ready for the release of those cards is consuming a lot of AMD's resource, especially with a new windows version been released around the same time and the fact they are introducing brand new tech into the market.
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Well, it is a perfect storm boiling for AMD and it does not help that they are vague in their communication.
 
mz/x said:
The monitors were "certified" by AMD. We do not know the details but according to Baddass all monitors are affected not just Benq. What is the likelihood that 3-4 different manufacturers make the same error?
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This is the problem with Buzzwords. Monitors don't have freesync, they have adaptive sync, but they have become interchangeable. Freesync does not equal adaptive sync. The specifications for adaptive sync are provided by VESA, not AMD. If Intel updated their drivers to work with adaptive sync and called it I-sync, then the monitor would be I-sync and freesync compatible.

I would not be surprised if they made the same mistake. Asus tell us that they haven't and We don't know anything about Samsung, but I am presuming that theirs will be fine too.

mz/x said:
Thanks for the good summary. This is a mess and again since we do not know all the details maybe solutions offered by AMD are tested by monitor manufacturers. Once you involve multiple teams in multiple companies timelines will definitely become longer. I guess we kind of see this with the slow down right? ;)
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Sorry, I am not making myself clear, the crossfire issue does not affect the monitor in anyway. It's a freesync issue not an adaptive sync issue. The solution won't need any input from the monitor manufacturers. The monitor just communicates with one card.
 
mz/x said:
Well, it is a perfect storm boiling for AMD and it does not help that they are vague in their communication.
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Well, I am not sure what they can do. They were slammed in the past for releasing drivers every month. "Experts" on forums were saying that they should slow down driver releases, that this was their problem.

Now they slow down driver releases but still get slammed.

And they are damned if they do and damned if they don't in regards to communication. If they announce a date and miss it, they are terrible, if they don't announce a date they are terrible.

Remember the stick they got on forums after the announcement of the Hawaii cards a month before release. Cries of soft launch and where are the cards etc.

At this stage I don't know what way they could communicate, because no matter what they say they are going to be wrong.
 
melmac said:
I would not be surprised if they made the same mistake. Asus tell us that they haven't and We don't know anything about Samsung, but I am presuming that theirs will be fine too.
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When was the last time we saw any of the manufacturers openly admitting that they made a mistake? (rhetorical question) All I am saying that all monitors behave the same and this based on what Baddass told us and I guess he knows much more than we do.

melmac said:
Sorry, I am not making myself clear, the crossfire issue does not affect the monitor in anyway. It's a freesync issue not an adaptive sync issue. The solution won't need any input from the monitor manufacturers. The monitor just communicates with one card.
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I got that, adaptive sync is the open standard used by the monitor makers so theoretically as you said there should not be any issue. Crossfire issues are AMD only related. However, what if solutions offered by AMD are also checked by the monitor makers. What if? What if the monitor makers want to ensure that the consumer gets a high quality experience? If I were a monitor maker I would not risk my brand reputation on half-baked AMD drivers (even if we know that may have nothing to do with the issues).

I'll tell you why. Assume this; Joe consumer wants to buy a "Synced" monitor. (Synced can be Gsync or Freesync). Joe is looking to buy a Samsung brand 4K with AMD Freesync. Joe has a crossfire AMD setup. Right now Joe cannot use it. Ok, assume this; AMD fixes with some issues the crossfire freesync. Joe will still not be happy. Joe's options are to wait for fix or get rid of the AMD and Samsung by switching to NVidia. If Joe waits, Joe may not be happy with the Samsung purchase.

The problem here for Samsung is that the moment Joe decides to go with NVidia, Joe is no longer buying Samsung product. The life of the monitor is a couple of years and Joe will be happy with something else. Hence, Joe's relationship with Samsung is reduced and the likelihood that Joe will look at other Samsung products (e.g., TVs etc.) is in question not to mention the possibility of negative experience as I described above. Would you release your new products when you know that the problems are there right now? Or, you would wait until a solution is place ... so Joe can actually use the crossfire with a Samsung premium monitor. (Oh, I forgot to mention that all these are premium items.)
 
melmac said:
Why would AMD have to give assurances? They are not responsible for Quality control in BenQ or Asus or anywhere else. It should be the opposite way around. BenQ should have tested their monitor and not released early before any drivers were even ready!!
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We don't know if AMD are the ones who have requested monitor manufacturers to update their firmware yet? it could be related to all of the trouble they're having getting multi-GPU Freesync working.
 
Roy had better eat his own hat!

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Source: https://twitter.com/amd_roy/status/599565321167474689
 
thebennyboy said:
Roy had better eat his own hat!

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Source: https://twitter.com/amd_roy/status/599565321167474689
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Lol.

AMD done dropped the ball big time on driver support imho.

Maybe it's taking time to perfect these, but making statements like that and then not delivering is worse than making no statement at all for AMD?

Oh well, really is the status quo now.

AMD - Great vision, lack execution..
Nvidia - Evil overlords..
 
Boomstick777 said:
Lol.

AMD done dropped the ball big time on driver support imho.

Maybe it's taking time to perfect these, but making statements like that and then not delivering is worse than making no statement at all for AMD?

Oh well, really is the status quo now.

AMD - Great vision, lack execution..
Nvidia - Evil overlords..
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This is why they hardly ever day anything. For this exact reason. lol

Roy should have said something by now or AMDMatt, like due to unforeseen complications the drivers won't be out this week as we thought, but it should not be too long now, we are working very hard on it..
 
I joined this forum specifically to comment on this as there is also an AMD representative who posts here, who can perhaps feed things back.

Anyway years ago, I got rid of my GF4200ti (128mb I think) card and bought a Radeon 9800 Pro. Man, that card was the nuts. And that's why I bought it, the same reason I choose a card nowadays. I think the rest of what I had is as follows:

X800Gto - was good, unlocked 12 pixel pipes to 16
X1950pro - budget good performing card
HD3870 - budget but pretty average card
HD4850 - brilliant, but hot. I fitted an Accelero cooler + 140mm fan on it, it peaked at about 50c while the reference cooler was hitting 90c
HD5850 - again, brilliant for the time. not too expensive and cool
R9 290 - probably best to read on at this point

I got the R9 290 eight months ago. Excellent hardware, you can see the quality. Runs a little hot, but the chip can take it. But in that eight months and with a few major game releases, one official driver and a couple of betas. Don't get me wrong, the beta drivers worked pretty well with most things. But I always had the feeling AMD was 'scratching around', trying to catch up, as the whole Project Cars thing has shown. That was a highly anticipated title, lots of people were gonna get on that one. Yet AMD dropped the ball. And then publicly say stuff like in the tweet above. If you want to enjoy a game because you've been waiting quite a few months for it, you expect the company you paid your money to to support such games. I was actually pretty lucky with the 290, using 15.4.1 drivers I got very reasonable performance on PCars, it didn't seem to be as bad as some people on here were saying. But it wasn't what I'd expect for what I paid for that card. So yesterday, the above list had a new addition:

GTX 980 EVGA SC ACX 2.0

My first NVidia card since the GF4200ti. So there you go AMD, I do not feel you supported your product sufficiently during the last 8 months, given the amount I paid for your product. So I went green. And I have to say I'm not disappointed. This thing is a beast, and runs cool and very quiet.

But I'm very disappointed with AMD right now, I really hope they get their act together because if they don't, the graphics card market will become a closed shop where all us gamers get shafted.

I may have just bought a card from the green team, but that doesn't mean I'll not consider the red team next time I'm in the market for a graphics card. That really does depend on where they're at. Hopefully that's a better place than where they seem to be at now. Those cards I listed above, the old ones, there seemed to be an abundance of drivers then, it was like every couple of months. Seems like a driver famine at AMD these days, they need to get back to how they supported those old cards above.

My mate who has been a bit skint this last couple of years was a happy man last night, as I sold him the 290 at mates rates of 150 quid, payable in 2 x 75 quid installments to ease the hit for him. I was round there last night, he's not playing any really recent titles and the 290 is a nice upgrade from his GTX 460. So something good has come of all this.

That was a long first post..
 
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Keto said:
AMD still talking about hairworks and Nvidia business practices, would much rather know when we're going to get a crossfire profile for the Witcher 3.
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Many, including me and you seem to think that. You may want to edit out that link as it has swearing in it.

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Won't link to source as it has swearing in it.
 
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I'm now in the process of swapping out my r9 290 for a gtx 970,

I was really looking forward to project cars,although it plays,knowing though that it should
run better im going to hold off playing it until i get a gtx 970.

seems allot of people are complaining about the amd drivers now, as the motto goes
if ten doctors say you're dead lie down.
 
bertybenno said:
I'm now in the process of swapping out my r9 290 for a gtx 970,

I was really looking forward to project cars,although it plays,knowing though that it should
run better im going to hold off playing it until i get a gtx 970.

seems allot of people are complaining about the amd drivers now, as the motto goes
if ten doctors say you're dead lie down.
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I think you'll be happy with Project Cars on the 970.
 
thebennyboy said:
Many, including me and you seem to think that. You may want to edit out that link as it has swearing in it.

Won't link to source as it has swearing in it.
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Thanks, edited. I personally don't care about or expect to be able to use Nvidia tech on an AMD card, I do expect to be able to use crossfire in major releases though.
 
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