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The AMD Radeon R9 285 Thread

it'll help - but still confusing in my eyes. As the 280s and 280Xs dry up it'll clear up but in the meantime we've got a bit of inconsistency in the naming.

In my eyes, slow to fast
260 -> 260X -> 265

Now the 28* group, might be ordered like this?
280 -> 285 -> 280X -> 285X

(OK, I realise it's not meant to be faster, slower, anything other than replacing a 280 at a certain price point, but these comparisons will get made)
 
it'll help - but still confusing in my eyes. As the 280s and 280Xs dry up it'll clear up but in the meantime we've got a bit of inconsistency in the naming.

In my eyes, slow to fast
260 -> 260X -> 265

Now the 28* group, might be ordered like this?
280 -> 285 -> 280X -> 285X

(OK, I realise it's not meant to be faster, slower, anything other than replacing a 280 at a certain price point, but these comparisons will get made)

Your right, the problem is what do you call it?
 
Yeah.... no useful ideas at all on that front :( Better this slightly confusing naming scheme than going for reusing an existing name like with the nVidia 860M.

Ah well, the problem will solve itself fairly soon I guess, at least for the new market :)
 
More reviews placed in OP.:)

Powercolor

Custom PC Review
Neoseeker
Overclockers Club

XFX

HT4U

Some of these reviews show the 285 losing by as much as 10 FPS to the 280 non-X.

Why anyone here is saying this is a triumph for AMD, and that it "trades blows with a 280X" is mind-boggling.

The 285 is seen to be an inferior card in all the benchmarks I've read so far. It always loses in Crysis 3, BF4, Metro: LL, Bioshock Inf, etc, etc.

Some people should take their AMD branded goggles off!
 
Some of these reviews show the 285 losing by as much as 10 FPS to the 280 non-X.

Why anyone here is saying this is a triumph for AMD, and that it "trades blows with a 280X" is mind-boggling.

The 285 is seen to be an inferior card in all the benchmarks I've read so far. It always loses in Crysis 3, BF4, Metro: LL, Bioshock Inf, etc, etc.

Some people should take their AMD branded goggles off!

Eh? Just looking at some of these and thats.... made up?

I'm not saying it's a triumph, not really excited by it at all, but to claim it's inferior to a 280 non-x in all the benchmarks you've seen so far seems a bit of a lie.

e.g. Neoseekers in the post you quoted - it beats the 280 in BF4, in metro LL and every other game. Yes, it occasionally loses out, but on the whole it's matching or beating it. It's meant to be roughly a like for like replacement, so why would we expect it to be otherwise? It's not claiming to be the next-gen replacement for the 280 in the advancing performance way, nor is it priced as such.
 
Eh? Just looking at some of these and thats.... made up?

I'm not saying it's a triumph, not really excited by it at all, but to claim it's inferior to a 280 non-x in all the benchmarks you've seen so far seems a bit of a lie.

e.g. Neoseekers in the post you quoted - it beats the 280 in BF4, in metro LL and every other game. Yes, it occasionally loses out, but on the whole it's matching or beating it. It's meant to be roughly a like for like replacement, so why would we expect it to be otherwise? It's not claiming to be the next-gen replacement for the 280 in the advancing performance way, nor is it priced as such.

I think when AMD release the 285X it is going to be quite a performer and I suspect with more volts it will have a lot of overclocking headroom, HD7970/280Xs I think will be under a lot of pressure.:)
 
Eh? Just looking at some of these and thats.... made up?

I'm not saying it's a triumph, not really excited by it at all, but to claim it's inferior to a 280 non-x in all the benchmarks you've seen so far seems a bit of a lie.

e.g. Neoseekers in the post you quoted - it beats the 280 in BF4, in metro LL and every other game. Yes, it occasionally loses out, but on the whole it's matching or beating it. It's meant to be roughly a like for like replacement, so why would we expect it to be otherwise? It's not claiming to be the next-gen replacement for the 280 in the advancing performance way, nor is it priced as such.

Let's not decend into emotive language like "lying", when we're talking about a flippin' gfx card. I'm not biased either for or against AMD, and I have nothing to gain from lying. I'm just looking at the benchmarks like anyone else can.

Even (some of) the benchmarks in this thread show the 285 losing to the 280.

The claims that it can match a 280X seem to be totally unsupported.

edit: it's £30 more expensive than a 280. That's 20% more. To be roughly the same performance for 20% more would be bad enough, to lose any performance at all would be a disaster.
 
From the reviews I have seen it looks like it beats the 280 at stock clocks, however it has less over-clocking headroom, so an overclocked 280 will beat an overclocked 285. It will be interesting to see how factory overclocked 285's compare to factory overclocked 280's.

*EDIT*

It's pretty hard to gauge comparisons as it's rare for review sites to use the exact same test setups form month to month but I managed to splice two identical tests together:

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It seems the reference 285 is able to match an aftermarket 280 which is quite impressive, and the after-market 285 is better still, however the lack of overclocking headroom (285 probably has more aggressive clocks from the outset) means the 280 takes the lead when manual overclocking comes into play.
 
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I do find it odd that quite a number of the review sites have benched the 285 against the 280X/770/760, and taken the 280 out altogether. I wonder if they were asked to do that.

Alternatively they took it out as it's discontinued, but it seems a tad suspicious.
 
Let's not decend into emotive language like "lying", when we're talking about a flippin' gfx card. I'm not biased either for or against AMD, and I have nothing to gain from lying. I'm just looking at the benchmarks like anyone else can.

Even (some of) the benchmarks in this thread show the 285 losing to the 280.

The claims that it can match a 280X seem to be totally unsupported.

edit: it's £30 more expensive than a 280. That's 20% more. To be roughly the same performance for 20% more would be bad enough, to lose any performance at all would be a disaster.

Apologies for the language used.

However, you said "The 285 is seen to be an inferior card in all the benchmarks I've read so far" while quoting a bunch of reviews that directly contradicted your statement. You didn't say some, on average etc... you said all. Which given many of benchmarks show equality or the advantage going to the 285 was inaccurate so I felt should be addressed. I've not done a count or anything, I think the 285 has come out ahead over the whole set of benchmarks shared in this thread but am not sure of this as it's been close on occasion, with some games favouring the 280.

I realise technically you could have simply not read the reviews you quoted but the implication was that those reviews backed up your position. You then chose to attack people who express interest in the card, despite very few people saying anything more positive than that it performs better than they expected given its specs.

Also, as has already been covered in this thread, it is more expensive (by £18 not £30) than a card that has been reduced to clear. As, again, has already been covered in this thread the general consensus has been that the 280 is still a great choice until it ceases to be available. I'm not disagreeing that the 280 is a great card and this one doesn't make it obsolete at all.

How many times, they are EOL!

280 and 280X have being sold way below their MSRP for a long time as people have being dumping stock. 280X was just shy of £250 when launched, they are reduced to £200 to clear!

280 was launched at £199, they are £150 to clear.

Do not compare stock clearing prices to new launch prices. In a years time when 285 is being replaced it will no doubt be around £120, but its MSRP is £169-£200 and AMD have positioned it to compete with 760 which it does very well, matching it for price and beating it by approximately 15% in performance and offering True Audio. :)
 
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>>Some<< of these reviews show the 285 losing by as much as 10 FPS to the 280 non-X.

Why anyone here is saying this is a triumph for AMD, and that it "trades blows with a 280X" is mind-boggling.

The 285 is seen to be an inferior card in all the benchmarks I've read so far. It always loses in Crysis 3, BF4, Metro: LL, Bioshock Inf, etc, etc.

Some people should take their AMD branded goggles off!

Apologies for the language used.

However, you said "The 285 is seen to be an inferior card in all the benchmarks I've read so far" while quoting a bunch of reviews that directly contradicted your statement. You didn't say some, on average etc... you said all. Which given many of benchmarks show equality or the advantage going to the 285 was inaccurate so I felt should be addressed. I've not done a count or anything, I think the 285 has come out ahead over the whole set of benchmarks but am not sure of this as it's been close on occasion, with some games favouring the 280.

OK then.

The context of my first post that you challenged was a disagreement that the card "traded blows with a 280X" as has been claimed in this thread previously.

And I also said "some" of the reviews showed it losing to a 280 - further refuting the idea that it challenged a 280X.

[edit: I do have a bad habit of making every sentence its own paragraph. The sentence "the 285 is seen to be inferior" should have been the 2nd sentence of the 2nd paragraph, making the meaning more apparent.]
 
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From the reviews I have seen it looks like it beats the 280 at stock clocks, however it has less over-clocking headroom, so an overclocked 280 will beat an overclocked 285. It will be interesting to see how factory overclocked 285's compare to factory overclocked 280's.

*EDIT*

It's pretty hard to gauge comparisons as it's rare for review sites to use the exact same test setups form month to month but I managed to splice two identical tests together:

graph.png


It seems the reference 285 is able to match an aftermarket 280 which is quite impressive, and the after-market 285 is better still, however the lack of overclocking headroom (285 probably has more aggressive clocks from the outset) means the 280 takes the lead when manual overclocking comes into play.

Overclocking depends on the card used and the user, you can't just look at one card in one review and say "it has less overclocking head room"

Some may do 1100 while others may do 1300, its a lottery, one card overclocked by one user is not the be all and end all for everyother card and user.
 
Had a quick skim though but don't have the time to read though 8 pages yet, meant to be working :P But i just had a quick question.

What is the performance of the 285 in CF? the cost is only slightly more than a single 290.

Thanks, sorry if this has been answered already
 
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