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ZG002 said:
Seems like it's going to be the new norm.
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To be fair, I'm well aware that nearly everything in computer graphics is 'cheating' - you could swallow up infinite computing resources trying to path shade the hell out of everything with tons of samples per pixel, no LOD / clipping planes etc...

But, when you've got nearly 2TB/s of memory bandwidth and a shed load of shaders as in the 5090, I'd expect it to be able to render decently fast at native or even FSAA resolutions...
 
Dicehunter said:
It's not going to be competition for the 5070 or 5080 by any stretch, If the leaks are true then we're looking at 7900XT performance with 4GB less VRAM. AMD are going to have to price it at £400 or people will just look to Nvidia.
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I wouldn't rule out 9070xt not competing with the 5070 what kind of performance we expecting from the 5070 ? 4070 ti super ? I very much doubt the 5070 is gonna offer 4080 performance I'm talking like for like not frame gen or DLSS

Imo 5070ti is gonna offer 4080 performance or slightly better

AMD has the 9070xt slightly ahead of the 7900xt in it's chart

Here's 7900xt Vs the 4070ti super, I can't in my opinion see 5070 going above 4070ti super performance

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Grim5 said:
7800XT or
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RavenXXX2 said:
This was the biggest **** take.




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They tried this crap last time too - some people are quick to forget, Jensen came on stage and said the 4070 is 2 to 3 times faster than the 3090, and we all saw how that worked out. So when Jensen says the 5070 is as fast as a 4090, that means it's probably half the speeds of the 4090
 
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Grim5 said:
They tried this crap last time too - some people are quick to forget, Jensen came on stage and said the 4070 is 2 to 3 times faster than the 3090, and we all saw how that worked out. So when Jensen says the 5070 is as fast as a 4090, that means it's probably half the speeds of the 4090
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Even GPT's not falling for it:

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How does the memory bandwidth of the 5070 compare to that of the RTX 4090?
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The memory bandwidth of a graphics card significantly influences its ability to handle large datasets and high-resolution textures, directly impacting performance in data-intensive applications and gaming scenarios.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070:

Memory Type: GDDR7
Memory Size: 12 GB
Memory Bus Width: 192-bit
Memory Clock Speed: 1750 MHz (22.4 Gbps effective)
Memory Bandwidth: Approximately 532.6 GB/s
TECHPOWERUP
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090:

Memory Type: GDDR6X
Memory Size: 24 GB
Memory Bus Width: 384-bit
Memory Clock Speed: 1313 MHz (21 Gbps effective)
Memory Bandwidth: Approximately 1008 GB/s
TECHPOWERUP
Comparatively, the RTX 4090 offers nearly double the memory bandwidth of the RTX 5070, which translates to superior performance in scenarios that demand high data throughput, such as 4K gaming, complex simulations, and professional content creation tasks.

It's important to note that while memory bandwidth is a critical factor, overall performance also depends on other components like the GPU's core count, clock speeds, and architectural efficiencies.

If it's got 1/2 the memory bandwidth, and nothing to mitigate that like a huge cache, it's not going to get more of the same workload done in less time...
 
Dicehunter said:
It's not going to be competition for the 5070 or 5080 by any stretch, If the leaks are true then we're looking at 7900XT performance with 4GB less VRAM. AMD are going to have to price it at £400 or people will just look to Nvidia.
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Yes and realistically we're expecting the 5070 to be similar performance to a 4070ti or 4080 for 549+, potentially lower in raster. A 7900XT is VERY similar in raster performance to a 4080!
If that is the case, and the 9070XT ends up faster than the 5070, or even 5070ti, but at say 400-500, it's going to have a knock on impact all the way up the chain, because it suddenly it becomes 10% more performance for twice the price... 5090 buyers won't care, but 5070-5080 buyers might, if the rumours that the 5080 is only 10-20% faster than a 4080 in many scenarios is true, would you pay 1000 vs 450 for 10% more performance? Not sure that many would...and that causes price wars, which benefit US.

Edit: the chart UScool linked above says it all. If the 9070XT is a bit faster than the 7900XT that's bang on 4080 level in raster, it'll all depend on the price.

We're estimating that 5070 as 4070ti-4080 level - if the 9070XT is FASTER than the 5070 or 5070ti, but priced much lower, that's going to give everyone except 5090 buyers reason to think, aka the people who just want the best. Many people at 4080/5080 buyer level still want SOME sort of performance value.

Of course AMD could just be stupid and price it out the market; they do have a habit of ballsing this sort of stuff up to have a higher RRP; and having to drop lol
Depends on if they really meant it by they want to steal marketshare.
 
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Alexrose1uk said:
Yes and realistically we're expecting the 5070 to be similar performance to a 4070ti or 4080 for 549+, potentially lower in raster. A 7900XT is VERY similar in raster performance to a 4080!
If that is the case, and the 9070XT ends up faster than the 5070, or even 5070ti, but at say 400-500, it's going to have a knock on impact all the way up the chain, because it suddenly it becomes 10% more performance for twice the price... 5090 buyers won't care, but 5070-5080 buyers might, if the rumours that the 5080 is only 10-20% faster than a 4080 in many scenarios is true, would you pay 1000 vs 450 for 10% more performance? Not sure that many would...and that causes price wars, which benefit US.

Edit: the chart UScool linked above says it all. If the 9070XT is a bit faster than the 7900XT that's bang on 4080 level in raster, it'll all depend on the price.

We're estimating that 5070 as 4070ti-4080 level - if the 9070XT is FASTER than the 5070 or 5070ti, but priced much lower, that's going to give everyone except 5090 buyers reason to think, aka the people who just want the best. Many people at 4080/5080 buyer level still want SOME sort of performance value.

Of course AMD could just be stupid and price it out the market; they do have a habit of ballsing this sort of stuff up to have a higher RRP; and having to drop lol
Depends on if they really meant it by they want to steal marketshare.
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You also need that info in the hands and minds of the not so savvy, which includes the salesreps at the major stores that sells hardware but aren't dedicated computer shops. Don't know how many times I've been told some rubbish by these people simply because they don't know better. This has never been a strong point for AMD so I hope they up their PR game a bit in case they actually have a banger of a GPU for a good price.
 
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Whatever price the 9070XT comes in at, what happens to prices of 7800XT/7900XT/4070-Ti-Super-Ti Super?

Only playing DayZ I just want raw performance as Dayz has no DLSS/FG etc.

I may stay a Gen behind or go with the 9070XT if priced right.

Around £400 will be ideal for me with only playing one game these days :)
 
Just caught up. So 9070 series ~ 4070 series in their chart.

9070 XT ~ 7900 XT ~ 4070 Ti (~5070??)

I guess now they will also price it there or slightly undercut it.

gettothechopper said:
it reminds me of the 5700xt launch, which was the highest spec card of that range
I had the vega 64 (which was the previous generation) which had about 10fps less but no real point in upgrading for such a small amount for so much money

if I remember the 5700xt did well in sales? and was a good card overall
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Mainly because nvidia fumbled massively. The RTX 2060 and 2070 were terrible value, until they launched the 2060 Super.
 
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humbug said:
Thanks :) AMD i have more questions, WTF is
  • Gaming Sync with Ryzen 9000 series
  • Use 8000 series for (RDNA 3.5) Mobile
Is this some new synergy tech you haven't told us about because you chickened out?
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They are just matching the Ryzen CPU generation (currently 9000).

They also skipped 8 because apparently they are for mobiles chips. AMD did the same thing with Ryzen and skipped 4xxx and 6xxx chips a few years ago.
 
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muon said:
They are just matching the Ryzen CPU generation (currently 9000).

They also skipped 8 because apparently they are for mobiles chips. AMD did the same thing with Ryzen and skipped 4xxx and 6xxx chips a few years ago.
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Ok.... thanks, it just reads weird "Gaming Sync with Ryzen" and why even highlight that? Isn't that like just small print data?
 
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