Not sure about the dead architecture , it's not like you can keep the motherboard and slot in another GPU
And we don't know yet how it compares to Nvidia, if it does compare well and it's at £450 it could be very interesting
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Not sure about the dead architecture , it's not like you can keep the motherboard and slot in another GPU
And we don't know yet how it compares to Nvidia, if it does compare well and it's at £450 it could be very interesting
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Launch date might be the 24th of January:
It's dead in the sense that RDNA is no more, so the excuses that AMD have to include R&D costs into the sale price to break even really don't matter any more, that moneys gone, write it down and build some goodwill for UDNA which shares its R&D with their server parts.
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If it's 24th January then that makes no sense to have given that crap performance at CES lol.
But clearly SKU's exist so the product exists.
Is it just crap?
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It's used in the PS5 PRO,so it will have relevance for a few years. I said minimum pricing and the AMD cards had to drop as the street price on the Nvidia cards also dropped too. Also,it looks like the RTX5070 at £540 and the RX9070XT probably have similar rasterised performance. The upsell for the RTX5070 would be RT performance.
At £450 the RTX5070 would cost 20% more,so a target price of £400 to £450 would be fine IMHO,especially as the RX9700XT would have more VRAM too.
They probably expected the RTX5070 not to launch,so probably now have to adjust pricing.
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All ifs at the moment what performance and price it will be , some already decided it's faith without knowing either , and what if the R&D are lower because they ain't chasing the very high end ?
If the performance is good from day one and provides good value compared to equivalent couldn't care about it being dead architecture
I ain't buying a motherboard and thinking if how many CPUs are gonna be supported
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If it was a genuinely good product, they’d have been talking about it.
It’s going to be a mess, but they still want to fleece the customer. I guess they heard what nvidia were charging, and panicked.
With Nvidia announcing $550 for the 5070, expect AMD to sell this for $500.
The 5070 looks to be between 4070Ti and 4080 and that is right were the RX 9070 is likely to be.
Nvidia for the DLSS4 and new FG features locked down to the new 5000 series. AMD a touch faster in raster and about 10% - 15 % slower in RT but with more VRAM.
On paper the 9070 might be a typical AND product… an overall better GPU but will sell nowhere near as much as its Nvidia competitor.
The 5070 looks to be between 4070Ti and 4080 and that is right were the RX 9070 is likely to be.
Nvidia for the DLSS4 and new FG features locked down to the new 5000 series. AMD a touch faster in raster and about 10% - 15 % slower in RT but with more VRAM.
On paper the 9070 might be a typical AND product… an overall better GPU but will sell nowhere near as much as its Nvidia competitor.
I imagine AMD were all set to come around $600 given the look of those over spec coolers on the partner models but they probably got wind of Nvidia’s 5070 price, went into panic mode and pulled the launch.
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To be fair it does keep my house warm at the moment.
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I am not surprised and if they wanted to charge that amount,they should have launched this months ago,ie,October. Instead they delay and delay,giving a chance for Nvidia to push their cards out soon after. Nvidia was waiting for mass GDDR7 production and the RTX5070 will appear within a month of the RX9070XT launch.
Also,the RX7900XT is only 30% faster at 1440p over an RX7800XT according to TPU. AMD showed a slide that the RX9070XT was similar performance to an RX7900XT. The same RX7900XT which has sometimes dipped to just under £600.
The RX6700XT was around a third faster than an RX5700XT and the RX7800XT was nearly 50% faster than an RX6700XT. So the RX9070XT is nothing special it appears. AMD are also behind Nvidia in RT performance too.
If they could make and sell a chiplet dGPU for £480,there is no reason they couldn't sell a monolithic dGPU(essentially using a similar process node) for the same or less money. The 7900GRE also uses a massive set of chips too.
As usual "we are not the budget brand" strikes again. They forget Nvidia is also competing against itself so needs to do the minimum to get its own users to upgrade too. Even a minimal 20% improvement will mean the RTX5070 would have been closer to RTX4070TI:
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The way they handle things I don't think RTG can even run a bath let alone a discrete card company.
Be interesting in seeing what AMD does now. I am interested in seeing what the real NVIDIA benchmarks show for the 5070ti. if good AIB cards retail for around £800 and are as quick as 4090s then they could be an interesting prospect with 16gb Ram.
I doubt the RX9070 will come close to that.
I doubt the RX9070 will come close to that.
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some people here believe they will be selling at a loss
TBH if the theory, and that is all it is atm, that AMD pulled the release due to competitor pricing then actually that is the right move. Because certain people would be slating them for releasing a card that was overpriced and saying the whole product stack is DOA. Whether or not they should have been in that theoretical position to begin with is another argument. A little bit of damned if you do damned if you don't. However, reading those quotes from @MyBrainz is interesting. If true, and no one has the correct driver and what info is out there is inaccurate, then no one can know anything about the card. So at this moment in time we're no futher forward and as frustrating and annoying as that CES 2025 event was, I'm going to wait for specs, figures and reviews. Some people are loosing their minds and some of the comments are so over the top and dramatic. You've waited this long, just chill and make an informed decision. Then buy what fits your needs.
I think people are gonna be disappointed, the very very little like for like performance they showed it seems like the 5070ti will be close to the 4080, maybe a bit faster. But not terribly close to the 4090
It won't it's likely 9070xt up against the 5070 , and my guess is 5070ti is more likely 4080 not 4090
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if that is true it makes sticking with what I have very easy. However if the ti did come close it could be a different story. I don't believe the 5070 will thoughI think people are gonna be disappointed, the very very little like for like performance they showed it seems like the 5070ti will be close to the 4080, maybe a bit faster. But not terribly close to the 4090
Yeah, I reckon this is a pretty accurate version as to what happened.
I do wonder what's going on with AMD's pricing model and how much margin they're making per card. I know these things are always more complex but surely the logical thing they're doing is taking manufacturing costs + all the usual landed pieces (marketing, distribution etc. if that's all in the pricing model) so you have your base 'cost to the business cost' and then workout what profit margin you want and then price it at that? Gives yourself room for promos, gives yourself room for B2B sales vs. direct to consumer.
I understand you price against competitors to some degree but it seems so over thought at times with Radeon and adds to the reputation of 'waiting for Nvidia then doing 50 quid less'.
The whole things a mess, I don't expect we'll see the 9070XT until after the 5070 launches which is some time in Feb so it'll probably end up a march launch by which time everyone at those price ranges would have already decided on a 5070 and AMDs market share will be down to single figures if its not already.