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I would rather have the raw performance of the hardware, as opposed to frame generation and upscaling providing the added generational performance, while this is not universally true, yet, it is a trend, cite RTX 4060 / 4060 Ti vs the previous generations of those cards, we are also not getting the raw performance upgrade we used to with some of the other SKU's either but with a significant price increase.

In AMD's words "its all about the software now" the fact that AMD have realised this quite recently is a good thing, all be it belated, right? Sure..... But only because that is the environment AMD are now trying to operate in.
 
Had to roll back on Nvidia drivers quite a bit since switching to 1660 Super and then my current 3060Ti.

Good to hear AMD drivers are less troublesome, last time I remember an AMD driver issue was when I bought the Powercolor Red Devil 5700XT.. what a beautiful card that was but the issues I had with it made me send it back.

Rarely had issues with the Vega 56, RX580, RX480, 6870 & 7950 before that. Even my old 4890 and 3850 had few driver issues for me :p

Btw I still have the Sapphire HD 7950 in its original box :D

Looking forward to seeing what the 9070/XT bring, really wana switch back to AMD now :)
 
Mercurial said:
I've had both Nv & AMD over the last god knows how long, both have been fairly trouble free for me under Windows. Half the time it is Windows thats causes the issue not the drivers with both manufacturers.

I find I game more now on Linux and AMD is far superior in that regard as the drivers are built into the OS, so get updated when you update the kernel. Nvidia can be far, far trickier to update on Linux depending on your distribution.
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I've been the same, I've often had both AMD and Nvidia cards. In contrast I would say for me I've had a few more niggles with AMD hardware/drivers but not to the point where it would put me off using them again. I don't use linux at home though so can't speak to that side of things.

humbug said:
I would rather have the raw performance of the hardware, as opposed to frame generation and upscaling providing the added generational performance, while this is not universally true, yet, it is a trend, cite RTX 4060 / 4060 Ti vs the previous generations of those cards, we are also not getting the raw performance upgrade we used to with some of the other SKU's either but with a significant price increase.

In AMD's words "its all about the software now" the fact that AMD have realised this quite recently is a good thing, all be it belated, right? Sure..... But only because that is the environment AMD are now trying to operate in.
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I think all of us would rather just have better hardware than fancy tricks to mask the issues but I can also believe that it's not always possible to just keep improving things with what we have available at the time. Maybe something will change before too long and we'll get some decent improvements again. In the mean time maybe the software advances are better than complete stagnation. Although I do hope they don't decide that they don't need to bother looking for ways to advance hardware if they can think up new ways to imitate performance using software tricks.
 
Yeah, not sure that I'd put too much stock in that. Hopefully tomorrow we'll get real information, though at the very least we'll get a reminder that rumours are often nonsense :P

Went and looked at his other videos, yeah no. Even if he does magically have a 5070 5070ti 5080 5090 and 9070xt, in some cases 2 months before official release. Where did he get the drivers from?
 
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Regardless of what the performance is it, as always comes down to price, 4080 performance is nice but at £600+? no.... at £500? yeah if it also beats out the 5070, I don't think the 5070 is set to match the 4080, the 4070 would have to gain 60% to do that and that's twice what we see on Nvidia's 5070 slide.

at under £500, like £470? Great.... winner winner.....
 
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A mate of mine is a 100% Linux user, Manjaro, he thinks, and he gets this from experience, Nvidia are garbage on Linux, he has ran all AMD on Linux for some time now, he's far from alone in that.
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I am in his camp, 100% Linux 100% anything but nvidia partly because nvidia's proprietary drivers require the system to contort around it (doesn't update in lockstep with the kernel so there can be incompatibilities requiring old or patched kernels, stuff like that) instead of how it should be which is open drivers in the kernel (anything after X date works this well Y date this was added etc). Some people swear by the nvidia proprietary drivers, more power to them but not for me.

AMD's open drivers are a good thing, they follow the open ethos and they do things the Linux way on Linux as it should be, but they're far from perfect. Stray an inch from the trodden path of a GPU being a thing to spit out images to the screen, and you're in dangerous territory (sometimes, maybe, possibly, that's where the jank comes in there are hundreds of weird issues floating about best hope you don't stumble into them). It's particularly exercising the compute elements that trip me up, some workloads will not have issues others will it's a crapshoot. What used to result in a kernel panic (full crash or session logout) often now results in a GPU reset instead with a single application crash, so things have improved and are improving, but the progress is far too slow I've been following this for many years. They need to invest serious resources into software development which they've supposedly ramped up a little bit recently, no where near enough.

intel has open drivers built into the Linux kernel too, I'm a happy boy having potential competition tailored directly to me. They're not free of issues (lower performance relative to windows particularly in games, some software sees intel GPU assumes iGPU and misuses the card, etc), but I haven't had the GPU hard crash yet and I've been trying. I'm sure those sorts of things happened to early adopters of alchemist, but the drivers at this point seem solid at least.

I want both companies to succeed for some competition. Honestly I think intel is pretty much there when it comes to software support, what they lack is a mid range and I have high hopes for celestial.
 
humbug said:
Regardless of what the performance is it, as always comes down to price, 4080 performance is nice but at £600+? no.... at £500? yeah if it also beats out the 5070, I don't think the 5070 is set to match the 4080, the 4070 would have to gain 60% to do that and that's twice what we see on Nvidia's 5070 slide.

at under £500, like £470? Great.... winner winner.....
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Yeah, I think it's easy to forget that like the RTX 5000 series these probably aren't aimed as upgrades to current RX 7000 or RTX 4000 owners. This isn't for people upgrading from a 4080, this is for people that were thinking of upgrading to a 4080 (or 5000 series equivalent, which is what a 5060 with MFG?:D)
 
£550 would be a great price if it gets near the 5070ti. I'd pay £600 for a nice AIB, appreciate though that that may not be enough to swing the marketshare.

That video is nonsense though.
 
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