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If it's just under a 7900XT at £450-500 it'll be a decent buy for an AMD option

You can't really understate Nvidias software advantage though.

I like having an AMD desktop and Nvidia laptop (Although if I wasn't getting smashed by interest rate on my mortgage id probably change that round this time around)

I recently played a game on my 4060 laptop, lowering the resolution while using DLSS and I was actually quite amazed.

What I was also impressed about was using ultra performance DLSS as well, compared to AMD's current FSR

Because of this, I can see people buying a 5070 readily

But Nvidia needs to sort out their Linux side, everyone needs to get in bed with Valve and lets make 2025 SteamOS year.

At the moment AMD is miles ahead in that regard
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
AMD Linux open source drivers are better than the Nvidia ones now - some of my mates who run Linux,now prefer the AMD cards.
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The open source drivers are built into the kernel so there is no install process but they are not perfect. There is no control ui as is standard with windows drivers and Nvidia had with their linux drivers last time I used an Nvidia card.

A couple of years ago I had a card that would stop the fan if load was low enough and it didn't need the cooling. It worked under windows but not linux. My current linux box has my old 480 8gb card. More that enough performance for what I use it for but the open source drivers have decided to drop OpenCL support for older cards including the 480. This impacts a photo app I have that uses OpenCL to speed up processing.

It is some years since I used Nvidia on linux but I never had any problems when I did. It depends on how bothered someone is about using non open source drivers.
 
Martini1991 said:
I like having an AMD desktop and Nvidia laptop (Although if I wasn't getting smashed by interest rate on my mortgage id probably change that round this time around)
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what is the rate your been stuck with escaped most of it on mine

still remember the paperwork from my first house the former owner was paying 17.5% interest
 
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what is the rate your been stuck with escaped most of it on mine

still remember the paperwork from my first house the former owner was paying 17.5% interest
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That's horrifying. My in-laws regale us with tales of paying 12% back in the 80s, and I thought that was bad. Humble brag, but I moved/bought during the pandemic and, due to a lower LTV and gov pushing low rates, mine is locked at .92% (ends in 2027). Going to be painful when that's over, but should be mostly paid off by then.

Back on topic, I'm a bit unclear on from where these rumours are coming that shader count on 9070xt and 9070 are the same. I thought it was confirmed 9070 had ~15% less?
 
harmattan said:
Back on topic, I'm a bit unclear on from where these rumours are coming that shader count on 9070xt and 9070 are the same. I thought it was confirmed 9070 had ~15% less?
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from here actually, ocuk has a 9070xt landing page up with some specs, and its got both the xt and non-xt with the same core count. But tbh I suspect it's just place holder numbers. Or at least the numbers they didn't know they just copied from the ones they did.
 
Game said:
what is the rate your been stuck with escaped most of it on mine

still remember the paperwork from my first house the former owner was paying 17.5% interest
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The rate goes into the backdrop of prices in today's age with wage stagnation, and then the amount in paying just on interest.

At a basic level, from our initial fix to our new fix we're spending 3K extra a year in interest payments

I'm from the North East and I'm above minimum wage in the public sector, but with wage growth being what it is, I've barely even covered my half of the additional interest in the last couple years of pay rises, let alone the rest of the costs that have gone up.

My disposable income has gone down in simple money terms, which is obviously not good. But I'm far from alone in this regard
 
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That's horrifying. My in-laws regale us with tales of paying 12% back in the 80s, and I thought that was bad. Humble brag, but I moved/bought during the pandemic and, due to a lower LTV and gov pushing low rates, mine is locked at .92% (ends in 2027). Going to be painful when that's over, but should be mostly paid off by then.

Back on topic, I'm a bit unclear on from where these rumours are coming that shader count on 9070xt and 9070 are the same. I thought it was confirmed 9070 had ~15% less?
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it could be a placeholder or typo
 
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Not sure what the hype is here. ~7900 XT raster and ~4070Ti Super in RT for performance has been the expectation for many months now. So not far off a 4080 seems to be what leaks are suggesting.

It just needs to be sub £500 starting point for MBA and around £550 for AIBs if they are ~10% faster.

This has been the state of play for months now. Still waiting on AMD to mess up on the prices so we can all point and laugh.

The 5070 will be slower in raster and faster in RT and people will buy them despite being 12GB… because “features”.

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Not sure what the hype is here. ~7900 XT raster and ~4070Ti Super in RT for performance has been the expectation for many months now. So not far off a 4080 seems to be what leaks are suggesting.

It just needs to be sub £500 starting point for MBA and around £550 for AIBs if they are ~10% faster.

This has been the state of play for months now. Still waiting on AMD to mess up on the prices so we can all point and laugh.

The 5070 will be slower in raster and faster in RT and people will buy them despite being 12GB… because “features”.

Normal service resumed.
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FSR4 being decent certainly wasn't a given. That raster + RT performance with a decent ML upscale = hype.
 
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Martini1991 said:
If it's just under a 7900XT at £450-500 it'll be a decent buy for an AMD option

You can't really understate Nvidias software advantage though.

I like having an AMD desktop and Nvidia laptop (Although if I wasn't getting smashed by interest rate on my mortgage id probably change that round this time around)

I recently played a game on my 4060 laptop, lowering the resolution while using DLSS and I was actually quite amazed.

What I was also impressed about was using ultra performance DLSS as well, compared to AMD's current FSR

Because of this, I can see people buying a 5070 readily

But Nvidia needs to sort out their Linux side, everyone needs to get in bed with Valve and lets make 2025 SteamOS year.

At the moment AMD is miles ahead in that regard
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For £450-500 it need to be a bit better than sub 7900 XT, its only 30% faster than a 7800 XT and i paid £480 for mine full price.
 
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For £450-500 it need to be a bit better than sub 7900 XT, its only 30% faster than a 7800 XT and i paid £480 for mine full price.
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It's possibly a poor upgrade piece for you (And by extension me as I have a 7800XT as well, a stupid purchase tbh), but there will be loads of people it will satisfy.
 
freebooter said:
The open source drivers are built into the kernel so there is no install process but they are not perfect. There is no control ui as is standard with windows drivers and Nvidia had with their linux drivers last time I used an Nvidia card.

A couple of years ago I had a card that would stop the fan if load was low enough and it didn't need the cooling. It worked under windows but not linux. My current linux box has my old 480 8gb card. More that enough performance for what I use it for but the open source drivers have decided to drop OpenCL support for older cards including the 480. This impacts a photo app I have that uses OpenCL to speed up processing.

It is some years since I used Nvidia on linux but I never had any problems when I did. It depends on how bothered someone is about using non open source drivers.
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My experience with Nvidia has been mostly pain free until recently.
In order to use HDR in games you must launch them with gamescope which seems to be incredibly unstable with Nvidia.

There's also a performance penalty with Nvidia in Linux vs windows which doesn't seem to be the case with AMD.



Nvidia has been putting some effort into Linux recently though, so this could change.

Right now AMD is still the way to go for Linux gaming.
 
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Martini1991 said:
It's possibly a poor upgrade piece for you (And by extension me as I have a 7800XT as well, a stupid purchase tbh), but there will be loads of people it will satisfy.
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AMD aren't competing with themselves, 7900 XT is where it looks like the RTX 5070 will land and while yes to get them at the $550 MSRP you either need to be lucky enough to get an FE card because AIB Nvidia cards at MSRP usually come with garbage level coolers, you will none the less be able to get them at that price.

If AMD fall under the 5070 for £50 less its a worse deal than the 7800 XT was in comparison to the 4070 and reviewers deemed that as "meh" at best, they will class this as "don't buy" and spend 2 months worth of videos hating on it, like it or not they have a huge influence on the success or not of GPU's.
 
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For context the 7800 XT was 5% faster than the 4070, even 90% the performance in RT over all and $100 cheaper, reviewers still didn't like it, not good enough was the best verdict they gave out of all of the 7000 series range.
 
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My understanding is the 7800 XT reviewed well and in fact was recommended over the 4070 by many tech sites.
 
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