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[Firegod]

I'd have a 9070XT if they launched this month at a reasonable price. Ya snooze ya lose AMD.

Such an odd comment. Why this month? Are you dying? Not like you can pick up a new gpu from any manufacturer.

 

[uscool]

I'd have a 9070XT if they launched this month at a reasonable price. Ya snooze ya lose AMD.

I can wait a few more weeks then I can decide properly, why buy now when you could regret it in few weeks and I want to keep this GPU for years ?

 

[Shogun_Krayt]

Such an odd comment. Why this month? Are you dying? Not like you can pick up a new gpu from any manufacturer.

There are some upcoming new releases like KCD2 and Avowed that people might want to upgrade for. But frankly that's an unlikely scenario for anyone in this forum, everybody knows no one here actually plays games

 

[uscool]

There are some upcoming new releases like KCD2 and Avowed that people might want to upgrade for. But frankly that's an unlikely scenario for anyone in this forum, everybody knows no one here actually plays games

Depends what current card you have you can still play them and only wait few more weeks ?

 

[Phixsator]

Problem is at least with Nvidia they keep implying that,but their margins also go up massively. The whole Pandemic had companies and whole industries making up excuses to overcharge. Now they want to keep doing this at a higher rate and you can see "inflation" everywhere. At some point,people won't be able to pay any more(especially if interest rates start rising again),so makes me wonder what happens in a few years time.

My response to such companies, be it AMD, NVIDIA, Intel, Apple or whoever:

Spoiler

I love PC gaming even though I don't game that much anymore. It has helped me through some rough patches like so many other(also caused a few rough patches ). I'd rather let it burn to the ground than let companies take advantage. I'll find something else to use my time on. I can always hone my skills with some Cisco CLI. Something oddly satisfying about that

It's crazy. People on here say, AMD must release first otherwise no one will buy their card. Say AMD did launch first, what will people do.... I think they'll say Ooh I think I'll wait a bit and see what NVIDIA release and undercut AMD by. Thanks NVIDIA for not releasing first. Smart move. You know it! So now we switch it around. NVIDIA launch first, the narrative changes directly to an AMD meltdown... but whyyyyy AMD you can't surely launch afterwards. That's not allowed. Noooooooooooo!

I think a lot of people cannot separate the botched CES and lack of information from the sensible action of delaying the launch. Whatever the real reason is for the delay it was the right move in the end. I'm saying this as someone who just sold his GPU(for good money) in hopes of getting a 9070 at the end of the month

 

[Firegod]

Seems like good news to me, unlike what some will want you to believe on here.

AMD's "Delayed" RX 9070 Series GPU Launch Attributed to RDNA 4 Software Stack Optimization; On-Launch Inventory Expected To Be Much Higher

AMD claims the reason behind the RX 9070 series launch delay is that they are optimizing the software stack to ensure wider compatibility.

wccftech.com

 

[Shogun_Krayt]

Depends what current card you have you can still play them and only wait few more weeks ?

You're assuming people are rational At the same time, you could wait for AMD only to find out their offer isn't good value, while missing the RTX5000 launch prices. The stock situation is going to be bad and retailers will definitely take advantage of it with every restock inching up in price. I guess AMD could have a small win in that case, with ample supply and people that waited being priced out of nGreedia's cards.

 

[McPhee]

Seems like good news to me, unlike what some will want you to believe on here.

AMD's "Delayed" RX 9070 Series GPU Launch Attributed to RDNA 4 Software Stack Optimization; On-Launch Inventory Expected To Be Much Higher

AMD claims the reason behind the RX 9070 series launch delay is that they are optimizing the software stack to ensure wider compatibility.

wccftech.com

It seems like nonsense to me.

They were at CES, ready to unveil the cards. They had briefed the press. They had told their AIB partners that they could showcase their cards. Stock had shipped to retailers. And then suddenly, midway through the day they decided the software wasn't mature enough and that there wouldn't be enough inventory at retailers, so they scrapped the entire reveal?

I'm not buying it. FSR4 not being ready for the release and there not being enough inventory at retailers might have resulted in the release date being pushed back. But it wouldn't have prevented them revealing the card. Something more significant changed.

 

[Firegod]

It seems like nonsense to me.

They didn't get to CES, brief the press, tell vendors that they could showcase cards and then suddenly abandon everything and tell their partners to limit the information they give out, just because the software could do with a bit more work.

I get what you are saying, right to be skeptical, but we have to go off the information given, surely. Who knows what goes on. We all certainly wouldn't have been happy for them to stay the course, plod on, and release a gpu with an unoptimised driver, no FSR4 in any game, and little to no stock. I'm taking that news positively.

 

[McPhee]

I get what you are saying, right to be skeptical, but we have to go off the information given, surely. Who knows what goes on. We all certainly wouldn't have been happy for them to stay the course, plod on, and release a gpu with an unoptimised driver, no FSR4 in any game, and little to no stock. I'm taking that news positively.

No. But that would have impacted the launch, not the reveal. They still could have announced the cards, the pricing, shown off how they perform. And if it was down to software & stock, surely they would have known this before they travelled to Vegas?

 

[melmac]

Do you have a source for that, buddy? Here's one I found that seems to contradict your assertion

But you and Phixator are saying that the 7800XT sold a lot? Yes? Yet, the 7800XT doesn't appear at all in the Steam Hardware survey. The 7700XT does, but the 7800XT isn't there at all. I mean when you combine that with the JPR data, it looks like the 7800XT didn't even sell as well as the 7770XT.

I'll just put this here https://www.jonpeddie.com/news/ship...n-boards-increase-for-third-quarter-in-a-row/ . People can go read and make up their own minds.

Spoiler: My thoughts

Looks to me AMD has sold through a fair bit of inventory in Q3 and Q4 23. 7800XT was released september 2023. Coincidence?

I am sorry, but the data you are using to suggest that the 7800XT sold well, doesn't actually prove the 7800XT sold well. AMD made some price cuts across a lot of their range in the middle of 2023. They also fixed a lot of the problems with VR and the high power consumption in the months after launch. Which seemed to have more of an effect than the release of the 7800XT.

The biggest jump in sales happened in Q2 2023, when AMD went from 12% to 17%. As you say the 7800XT launched in the 3rd quarter, yet they didn't have any increase over the share they had in Q2. And they only had a 2% jump in Quarter 4. The sales didn't go well in 2024. They went from 19% at the start of 2024 to 10% at the end of 2024.

Combine all that info with the Steam hardware survey and I can't see any evidence of the 7800XT selling that well, besides that 2% jump in Q4 2023. Which might not be all due to the 7800XT.

 

[Firegod]

No. But that would have impacted the launch, not the reveal. They still could have announced the cards, the pricing, shown off how they perform. And if it was down to software & stock, surely they would have known this before they travelled to Vegas?

I think for the reveal they said they didn't have enough time to fit in the cards, FSR4 and what not. So pulled it quite late on in the day. I was as frustrated as most were. But hopefully giving it the time it deserves is a better decision. But like you, they surely would have known well before, what was going to be discussed. I think giving something and saying maybes a full release event would follow, would have been good.

 

[Phixsator]

No. But that would have impacted the launch, not the reveal. They still could have announced the cards, the pricing, shown off how they perform. And if it was down to software & stock, surely they would have known this before they travelled to Vegas?

 

[greatash]

Such an odd comment. Why this month? Are you dying? Not like you can pick up a new gpu from any manufacturer.

KCD2/MH Wilds an a few games I've skipped like FFXVI because of the vram on the 3080 10gb.
I buy GPUs for games - got the 980 for Witcher 3 launch, 3080 for Cyberpunk launch etc.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

The delayed launch is annoying but ultimately it might not be as far behind Nvidia's as it sounds when you just say "February" and "March". It could be the start of March, it could be the end of March, we don't know yet.

However if this delay is because of software stack stuff, why haven't they announced pricing?
Is the software stack or whatever it is that they delayed for going to affect the price?
Nvidia have told us their pricing (more or less), why won't AMD do the same? This might give us some idea what to expect from the cards. Are the $400 cards? $500 cards? $600 cards?

I'm sure people will go on about how much better value the cards are than Nvidia's when they do release (like they did with the 7800XT and such), but that's a given when you price them specifically to be better value than your competitor. That's not an achievement, that's the entire point of the tactic. I wonder what AMD was going to price them at, I think that's the really interesting thing. What did AMD think they were worth before they were given a target.

I guess the plus point to this is, there's no need to see reviews of the AMD cards now, you know they will have a better price/performance ratio than Nvidia's so you can make your choice. What are 9070/9070XT reviews really going to tell you at this point?

 

[Shogun_Krayt]

there's no need to see reviews of the AMD cards now, you know they will have a better price/performance ratio than Nvidia's

I think you're severely underestimating AMD's talent for self-sabotage.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

I think you're severely underestimating AMD's talent for self-sabotage.

I don't see how even AMD can mess this up.

It's like if we have a competition to see who can think of the lowest number and I go first and tell you I'm thinking of 7.

I'm not expecting AMD to release anything amazing as it's mid-stack stuff. So it's performance we'll have had for years, efficiency we'll have had for years, a feature set we'll have had for years, the only new thing will be the price/performance ratio.
If AMD had announced it at CES when Nvidia did I could imagine they could've gotten it wrong, but since it seems this is the sole reason they've waited I can't see how they can mess it up. I mean maybe they'll make the gap smaller than people would like, but that's always going to be the case. Whatever the price someone will want it cheaper.

 

[Bidley]

But that's exactly what people do. Nike have the most market share. And it's not even close to second place, Adidas are the second biggest shoe company and they are far, far behind Nike. People buy their shoes, even though they might not be the best shoes at any particular sport.

People get used to buying a certain brand and people don't like change. Shoes are perfect example, there is a lot more competition in that Market, yet Nike continue to dominate because of that Mind share. Now that is slowly changing because other brands have upped their game and started making some amazing shoes, far better than Nike's for cheaper. But that's what they have to do, they can't get away with making inferior products because people will just go back to Nike.

It's the same with AMD and Nvidia. People can't cry about but, but Nvidia's making mistakes, Nvidia have worse products etc. etc. To get back in the GPU game, AMD will have to be better in every way than Nvidia. There is no point in continue to do what they are doing.

And that's why people are disappointed with the all the crap that's gone on this month. It's not just that AMD are releasing in March. It's the whole series of events leading to AMD releasing in March.

It's for the neutrals like myself, Cat the Fifth, TNA etc, that this whole thing has been a let down. All the neutrals were hoping that AMD would get this right. There was genuine optimism that the cards coming were going to be decent. But, AMD managed to steal away all that. They had cards out with reviewers, they have products out in store. They were obviously coming in January, yet Nvidia's CES event made them change their own event and move the launch of their cards back to March. I mean, that does not inspire confidence.

And people are making excuses, oh it's just see what Nvidia has, oh it's to build up stock, oh it's just to make sure of the pricing. Nonsense, It shows that AMD don't have any confidence in their own product. It shows that they messed up again.

I can honestly say I don't know of a single runner, be it Youtuber, community member, whatever, who lists market share in their list of criteria when buying running shoes. It only seems to be people in this thread.

The cards haven't come out yet and no specs have been released. The time for ringing the death toll is when the cards come out. I'm as disappointed as any by the delay, but I have the clarity of mind to understand why.

And LOL at that list of "neutrals" The same group who had no interest in this thread until the news of the delay. I was in for a 5080, then it looked garbage so I looked to the 9070xt, which is delayed, so my purchase is in the balance. I've owned 6 Nvidia cards and 2 AMD in the past, and the only one I had issues with was the RX580.

For the umpteenth time, none of this nonsense matters until prices and reviews come out.

 

[Firegod]

Whatever the price someone will want it cheaper.

Without a doubt.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I'm referring to this release.

It also proves AMD releasing before Nvidia will a well priced product will also work. This is also taking into consideration,the RX480 was only competing with the 60 series Nvidia card and the RX9070 is competing with the Nvidia 70/70TI series.

I don't see how even AMD can mess this up.

It's like if we have a competition to see who can think of the lowest number and I go first and tell you I'm thinking of 7.

I'm not expecting AMD to release anything amazing as it's mid-stack stuff. So it's performance we'll have had for years, efficiency we'll have had for years, a feature set we'll have had for years, the only new thing will be the price/performance ratio.
If AMD had announced it at CES when Nvidia did I could imagine they could've gotten it wrong, but since it seems this is the sole reason they've waited I can't see how they can mess it up. I mean maybe they'll make the gap smaller than people would like, but that's always going to be the case. Whatever the price someone will want it cheaper.

They still messed up with the Nvidia RTX4000 series,when Nvidia renamed the RTX4050 as the RTX4060,the RTX4050TI as the RTX4060 and the RTX4060 as the RTX4070. Then the RTX4070 was renamed the RTX4080. Nvidia even increased the price too. Yet AMD responded with the RX7900XT at a stupid price.

If they had launched the RX7900XT at under £700,it would have been a price jump over the RX6800 and still made Nvidia look stupid.

I would like AMD to have actually learnt something from all this,but after the Ryzen 9000 series launch I am not so sure they have. Would like to be proved wrong.