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*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

Bidley said:
I can honestly say I don't know of a single runner, be it Youtuber, community member, whatever, who lists market share in their list of criteria when buying running shoes. It only seems to be people in this thread.

The cards haven't come out yet and no specs have been released. The time for ringing the death toll is when the cards come out. I'm as disappointed as any by the delay, but I have the clarity of mind to understand why.

And LOL at that list of "neutrals" :cry: The same group who had no interest in this thread until the news of the delay. I was in for a 5080, then it looked garbage so I looked to the 9070xt, which is delayed, so my purchase is in the balance. I've owned 6 Nvidia cards and 2 AMD in the past, and the only one I had issues with was the RX580.

For the umpteenth time, none of this nonsense matters until prices and reviews come out.
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What difference will reviews make? The price will be what matters (it's been said before that many cards are not bad cards, just poorly priced) and AMD's whole reason for delaying is to set the price right. So while it's not known, it will be better than Nvidia's.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
It also proves AMD releasing before Nvidia will a well priced product will also work. This is also taking into consideration,the RX480 was only competing with the 60 series Nvidia card and the RX9070 is competing with the Nvidia 70/70TI series.



They still messed up with the Nvidia RTX4000 series,when Nvidia renamed the RTX4050 as the RTX4060,the RTX4050TI as the RTX4060 and the RTX4060 as the RTX4070. Then the RTX4070 was renamed the RTX4080. Nvidia even increased the price too. Yet AMD responded with the RX7900XT at a stupid price.

If they had launched the RX7900XT at under £700,it would have been a price jump over the RX6800 and still made Nvidia look stupid.

I would like AMD to have actually learnt something from all this,but after the Ryzen 9000 series launch I am not so sure they have. Would like to be proved wrong.
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It's not the same guy leading the charge this time around though. New management up top.
 
GoogalyMoogaly said:
I don't see how even AMD can mess this up.
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Bidley said:
I can honestly say I don't know of a single runner, be it Youtuber, community member, whatever, who lists market share in their list of criteria when buying running shoes. It only seems to be people in this thread.
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Way to go at completely missing the point. Nobody looks at market share when buying anything. But people go out and buy Nike because they have biggest mindshare. Do you not understand that very example you were using to make some kind of point doesn't actually prove your point?

Bidley said:
The cards haven't come out yet and no specs have been released. The time for ringing the death toll is when the cards come out. I'm as disappointed as any by the delay, but I have the clarity of mind to understand why.
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Nobody is ringing the death toll? What the hell are you talking about? People are expressing this disappointment with AMD screwing up another GPU release. You say you have the clarity of mind to understand why? Please point out why? AMD haven't said why. So please explain what you know that AMD doesn't?

Bidley said:
And LOL at that list of "neutrals" :cry: The same group who had no interest in this thread until the news of the delay.
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And this take is as bad as the rest of your takes in this thread. Easily countered. Cat-The-Fifth and TNA are both active in this thread longer than you. And I posted in this thread previously, but only started taking an interest again closer launch. Which was supposed to be January. Now, it's delayed to March because of Nvidia's 5xxx announcement.
Bidley said:
For the umpteenth time, none of this nonsense matters until prices and reviews come out.
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Of course it matters. AMD has done what they seem to always do, they have screwed up a launch.
 
McPhee said:
All should have been looking good for launch. But then they got word of Blackwell performance & pricing. Nvidia did something unexpected - they released cards with low gen-on-gen performance improvements (especially compared to Super cards) and cut prices. AMD's product stack was suddenly too performant and too expensive. With no possible quick fix, they abandoned the launch.

Classic AMD own-goal - if they had stuck with the old branding, they could have marketed their cards against the next tier up from Nvidia. But they switched to 9070/9070 XT to infer equivalence with the 5070/Ti. That equivalence works both ways. Not only that, but cards had started shopping, meaning branding & specs are locked in.
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This nails what I would guess is the "truth", but would say it's not just that NV "released cards with low gen-on-gen performance improvements", but that it's actually full on "shrinkflation" that others have pointed out several times (i.e., all the cards have been moved down ~2 tiers from where we would expect while the naming has remained the same).

melmac said:
But you and Phixator are saying that the 7800XT sold a lot? Yes?
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Aha, yet another comrade that is looking to put words into peoples' mouths :) please see below:

Sumanji said:
As I stated in that post though, I wouldn't take this as gospel. It is just one retailer's view, in one country, and they may have vendor relationships that skew their sales data vs. the rest of the market.
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Sumanji said:
Are you able to provide any data to back up your claim that "nobody bought" the 7800XT, and that "in the markets they sell they have way too much unsold inventory"...
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I'll somewhat forgive you, as this thread is well over 200 pages, and perhaps you're not discerning enough to read in detail before you come barreling into a discussion with partial context ;)

melmac said:
Yet, the 7800XT doesn't appear at all in the Steam Hardware survey. The 7700XT does, but the 7800XT isn't there at all. I mean when you combine that with the JPR data, it looks like the 7800XT didn't even sell as well as the 7770XT.
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Valiant effort working with available data, but let me point out some additional considerations for you based on the latest Dec 2024 survey:
  • As you point out, the 7700XT is individually listed with 0.20% incidence. However, it has no data for Aug-Nov 2024, despite being released in Sep 2023 - why do you think this is?
  • Top two entries for AMD are simply "AMD Radeon Graphics" and "AMD Radeon(TM) Graphics" - what cards do you think have been (mis)categorized here?
  • Both AMD and Intel have several other "generic" line entries (notable NV does not seem to) - why do you think this is?

melmac said:
The biggest jump in sales happened in Q2 2023, when AMD went from 12% to 17%. As you say the 7800XT launched in the 3rd quarter, yet they didn't have any increase over the share they had in Q2. And they only had a 2% jump in Quarter 4. The sales didn't go well in 2024. They went from 19% at the start of 2024 to 10% at the end of 2024.
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The overall vendor share change does not definitely prove a particular model did well or not. Are you aware of how sales cannibalism works? It's possible (likely?) that 7900XT or 6xxx series sales suffered as a result of the 7800XT release. It's also very likely that supply for 7800XT was poor for the first quarter after launch, which put a ceiling on unit sales.

I still don't see any definitive proof that the 7800XT didn't sell well - just circumstantial and inferred "evidence".

If you put your critical thinking hat on for a minute it's plain to see that the 7800XT is a GPU that is priced solidly in the mid-range, is generally well reviewed, and has had decent availability. I also believe it's generally regarded as a better value card than the 7700XT.

In the absence of perfect data, what hypothesis could you genuinely make to say that this card did not sell well?
 
melmac said:
Nobody is ringing the death toll? What the hell are you talking about? People are expressing this disappointment with AMD screwing up another GPU release.


Of course it matters. AMD has done what they seem to always do, they have screwed up a launch.
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I wouldn't say that , we still don't know the prices and performance compared to Nvidia offering

The release between them could only be few weeks difference

Nvidia only said February we don't know when in February, AMD said March we don't know when in March

Ideal world we would want both to release on the same time that's not happening, few weeks isnt deal breaker for me if it gives better value
 
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Firegod said:
So we can't call out Nvidia's mistakes because it is always whataboutism. But if AMD slip up, its a free for all. Is basically what you are saying. It is up to AMD when they launch, just because you think it is wrong not launching in Jan. It is all rumours at the moment. Has someone at AMD told you they don't have confidence in their own product? Where you hearing that from?
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So you don't understand what "whataboutism" means do you? You are struggling to defend AMD so you go "but Nvidia" And no, it's not basically what I am saying. Another lack of comprehension on your part. Go look in the 5000 series thread, lots of people giving Nvidia hell in there.

This is the RDNA 4 thread, so people are giving out about mess AMD have made of this launch so far.

As for it been rumour. LOL, nope, AMD planned for a launch in January but Nvidia's CES event seems to have spooked them. I mean they even changed their CES announcements last minute without informing anybody, when the press was all lined up to hear about RDNA 4.
 
melmac said:
So you don't understand what "whataboutism" means do you? You are struggling to defend AMD so you go "but Nvidia" And no, it's not basically what I am saying. Another lack of comprehension on your part. Go look in the 5000 series thread, lots of people giving Nvidia hell in there.

This is the RDNA 4 thread, so people are giving out about mess AMD have made of this launch so far.

As for it been rumour. LOL, nope, AMD planned for a launch in January but Nvidia's CES event seems to have spooked them. I mean they even changed their CES announcements last minute without informing anybody, when the press was all lined up to hear about RDNA 4.
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Yep I do. I'm not defending anyone, I simply called out Nvidia had stock issues. Seems to have gotten your back up! Not my problem if you can't handle that. As I say, same handful of people, just can't help themselves on here. Just look back at some of the posts if you can be bothered. No lack of comprehension here. Probably one of the few level headed people whilst others are loosing their minds. Have a read at the article I posted, seems to explain why the launch was delayed - whether you want to believe or not, up to you, I'm going to go out on a limb and say you won't. Because you seem like one of those people. Anyway, another one to add to my ignore list!
 
Firegod said:
As I say, same handful of people, just can't help themselves on here. Just look back at some of the posts if you can be bothered. No lack of comprehension here. Probably one of the few level headed people whilst others are loosing their minds.
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+1

MyBrainz said:
Does anybody here actually play games on their PC? :cry:
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Does 3DMark count...?
 
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