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Ahh I see, was going to say people are getting a bit carried away as it was between a 7900XT and the XTX (the 9070XT)
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Really valid points in that article.
Mindshare, AMD know they need to win over developers to start optimising for their products. I’m sure they already have some via the Xbox / PS channels but look at the PC segment, DLSS and other Nvidia features are day 1 in lots of titles because Nvidia own the market and also subsidise devs to implement their features to showcase their products.
The developers are correct, they have a limited time budget to optimise for GPU architecture, why waste that time on 5% of the market when you can optimise for 70%+ of the market and sell your product to a hugely bigger crowd.
AMD need market share to win over developers which then optimise their products with the features that help sell AMD cards etc etc.
This is why I feel AMD could actually shake up the GPU market, yes bring out 4080s/7900xtx performance but at a price point that resets the market.
That level of performance for what would be costs that are 2 stacks lower on the GPU hierarchy. They literally need to make it a no brainer for Nvidia owners on 2xxx / 3xxx cards to say “I’m going to buy AMD”
Their market right now is actually not current AMD GPU owners, it’s Nvidia owners on cards 3xxx and below who are looking for upgrades. That’s the market share they need to acquire. Those are the largest part of the market.
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Yeah if its possible they need to hit £549 for XT and £449 for the non to really disrupt.
When the RX 6xxx series and RTX 3xxx series came out, I had my hopes on getting the 6800XT coming from a Vega 56 but I couldn't get one anywhere. I managed to get the 3080FE at MSRP in Jan/Feb of 2021 which was lucky! I would like to go back to an AMD GPU for my next upgrade though.
my price limit was the 3080fe..so £650. said at time I wouldn't pay more than that for a card as expensive already, and my view not changed,,I'm playing a few games on 4k, don't think i need a mortgage to do that in 2025 (think nvidia loosing the plot on pricing now)
..so all these new cards so far (nvidia) are worse or similar price performance (4080s being same... ~50% more for 50% more perf as put in a previous post)...none make me want upgrade as £650 is still my top price I want to pay...so in 4 years there's been a stagnant market in my view.
Here's hoping they don't screw up the 9070XT pricing, as if FSR4 is as good as dlss, I'm jumping ship and going AMD...hope AMD have people reading these threads, as I've never had an amd/ati card before. also if they read, just bought a new 7800XT for my son at £330...so AMD, if you read this...get pricing right, you will get market share...you'll have me, and i don't think I'll be alone
Same here , my limit is £600, if the leaks are true I'll upgrade to it from the 3080fe
I really hope it's good deal , as I'll get a card giving good value, while supporting AMD and 2 fingers up at Nvidia
But I have doubt's that will happen
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Using the settings in that vid:
7800XT MBA card no driver tweaks.
Core Ultra 285k (Intel baseline profile) and with no info on ram speeds and timings in the Chinese leak, I used a 6400 XMP profile which is what reviewers were given as baseline testing for Core Ultra CPU's.
Win11 24H2 Intel PR5 fixes and bios updates in place.
Now comparing this to the original Chinese leak on X and using a 7800XT to compare with (at the supposed same settings) , looks like the 9070XT is a little monster considering the amount of shaders it actually has.
All boils down to street prices now, not imaginary MSRP's.
Its even worse than i thought
Ok... you can't have frame gen without FSR so FSR has to be on, i'll put it to quality.
A lot of CPU bottlenecking in this, not entirely but i would say for about 70% of this my GPU was at around 80 to 90% and a 285K is not much better at gaming than my 5800X, not even joking looks at reviews... its better, but not much.
I don't think we can get much from this, i think a lot of the performance we see in that result is the CPU, not the GPU, i mean 1080P, with FSR and Frame Gen.... these are choices you make from a CPU benchmark, not a GPU benchmark, its crap.
Bone stock RX 7800 XT, not that this matters, could be anything....
Sorry for weird Windows HDR colour on the screenshot.
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You're using custom settings, watch the vid above my post, I ran the benchmark using the settings he claims were in the original leak on X yesterday. If you want to compare don't alter anything FG enabled and Ultra settings, don't modify anything else.Its even worse than i thought
This is what it looks like using the same settings as you ran, don't confuse the thread further lol.
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Ok, that makes the Core 'Ultra' 9 285K 7% faster than the 5800X
March the 6th can't come soon enough.
Just ran the benchmark on my 5900X with a 7900GRE and get a very respectable 165FPS but guess I must be CPU limited. Pretty much decided on my AM5 build. Going to get a 9900X as I want the 12 cores and I don't want to pay silly money for a 9950X3D so will wait for Zen 6 which I hope will still be on AM5 and hopefully they release a 12core X3D in a year or two. Toss up between an MSI Carbon or Asus Strix board (Happy Asus man here).
Just hoping the nitro 9700X is not silly silly money (at this point I am resigned to it maybe even being £799), not overly keen on the mesh but my eldest thought it looked good so what does an old man like me know.
Just ran the benchmark on my 5900X with a 7900GRE and get a very respectable 165FPS but guess I must be CPU limited. Pretty much decided on my AM5 build. Going to get a 9900X as I want the 12 cores and I don't want to pay silly money for a 9950X3D so will wait for Zen 6 which I hope will still be on AM5 and hopefully they release a 12core X3D in a year or two. Toss up between an MSI Carbon or Asus Strix board (Happy Asus man here).
Just hoping the nitro 9700X is not silly silly money (at this point I am resigned to it maybe even being £799), not overly keen on the mesh but my eldest thought it looked good so what does an old man like me know.
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Is it right this time?
158.29, 5800X is still 3% better, or margin of error, sure. My CPU is 5 years old it was £440 brand new.
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158.29, 5800X is still 3% better, or margin of error, sure. My CPU is 5 years old it was £440 brand new.
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This is a work machine, I don't game on it.
I ran the benchmark as a comparison for people who saw the original leak on X and gave you all a run with a 7800XT.
Now instead and as usual, you want to push your weird agenda.
I'm not going to get into your little games, grow up !!!
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Jesus wept. You spend that on a cpu and gurn about £600 on a GPU!
Got mine on MM for £100 but it will be a bottleneck to replace at some point and go all in on AM5.
Don't you find it at least a little of a _____ situation? I mean the internet blew up to the point of derangement for years over Bulldozer / Piledriver, this is nothing.
Jesus wept. You spend that on a cpu and gurn about £600 on a GPU!
Got mine on MM for £100 but it will be a bottleneck to replace at some point and go all in on AM5.
Yeah i bought right on release, no regrets tho, like i say i'm still running it 5 years later, its still doing the job so...
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I think you misunderstood my whole post I didn't say Nvidia invented all those technologies I said they innovated new features. To innovate does not mean to invent. I am well aware of the origins of VRR and upscaling although upscaling and Ai upscaling is not the same thing. AMD had terrible tessellation performance for years so if they did indeed invent it they neglected it in hardware, I had AMD Eyefinity that was a nice AMD feature and it encouraged me to buy an AMD card and 3 new monitors which is exactly my point about features. I forgot about Nvidia 3D vision as well (Yes I know Nvidia didn't invent 3D).
Nvidia do innovate and take risks and bring new features and AMD are currently reactionary and too safe that seems clear to anyone who is paying attention. AMD recently got asked why they copied apple with a gaming APU and the AMD engineer responded “We were building APUs [chips combining CPUs and Radeon graphics] while Apple was using discrete GPUs. They were using our discrete GPUs. So I don’t credit Apple with coming up with the idea.”
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It took the success of Apples mini pc to get the funding or confidence to make Ryzen AI Max which tells you something about what it's like at AMD. It seemed obvious to many for years that there was a market for a powerful APU but AMD would not take a risk, it took Apple to do that. Apple also didn't invent the smart music player (iPod) or smart phone (iPhone) but they were the ones to take the risks. Almost every feature AMD has added to GPU's in years has been reactionary. I wouldn't be surprised if the delay in RDNA4 launch is due to them wanting to add MFG 3x and 4x to FSR4.
I have used as many AMD cards as Nvidia cards and I have an AMD CPU, I don't care about brands so this is not an attack on AMD. I just believe Nvidia has the better product for my needs at the moment. I truly wish AMD would innovate more and react less.
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AMD often seem to cautious or risk adverse at times.
I know you implied innovate, but you are wrong to claim only Nvidia do it.
For example VRR without the need for expensive monitor modules IS innovative to me far more than Gsync. FSR and XeSS bot being locked behind hardware is far more innovative than DLSS.
For example VRR without the need for expensive monitor modules IS innovative to me far more than Gsync. FSR and XeSS bot being locked behind hardware is far more innovative than DLSS.