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*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***
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It's hard coping with how a game that sold >30 mil copies is somehow less relevant than whatever you want to cherry pick and can't even reach a milly, so all the AMD vanguards in this thread have my sympathy.
The more ironic part is that AMD actually does quite well in it @ raster (often edging out Nvidia), and still fine even with some RT. It's really only the PT that destroys Radeon (and even then you can argue more of it is due to it being made by/for Nvidia; f.ex. Intel has higher lvl RT hw but still falters vs even older NV, so it has to be the software. Same story, or worse, in other PT games).
They desperately need more devs to embed into studios and help optimise for AMD. Since Starfield they haven't done jack and now it's starting to really hurt (see perf. in latest titles like PoE 2, KCD 2, Avowed etc. they're leaving a lot of performance on the table by not being as active with driver updates as they used to be).
We expect them to catch up to NV in RT, DLSS and other features but it seems they can't even keep up with drivers. There's no way they'll win back any marketshare this way. Nvidia won't be out of stock forever.
Being in denial over facts is not gonna help you, AMD, or anyone else. Just accept the truth, pass the criticism to AMD, and hope they listen & do better. Best we can do.
The more ironic part is that AMD actually does quite well in it @ raster (often edging out Nvidia), and still fine even with some RT. It's really only the PT that destroys Radeon (and even then you can argue more of it is due to it being made by/for Nvidia; f.ex. Intel has higher lvl RT hw but still falters vs even older NV, so it has to be the software. Same story, or worse, in other PT games).
They desperately need more devs to embed into studios and help optimise for AMD. Since Starfield they haven't done jack and now it's starting to really hurt (see perf. in latest titles like PoE 2, KCD 2, Avowed etc. they're leaving a lot of performance on the table by not being as active with driver updates as they used to be).
We expect them to catch up to NV in RT, DLSS and other features but it seems they can't even keep up with drivers. There's no way they'll win back any marketshare this way. Nvidia won't be out of stock forever.
Being in denial over facts is not gonna help you, AMD, or anyone else. Just accept the truth, pass the criticism to AMD, and hope they listen & do better. Best we can do.
Why? In the past they've tried and tried again, before this whole "premium brand" debacle. And failed.
Also, the answer isn't so you can buy your Nvidia card cheaper.
Edit:For clarity, I'm not directing at you specifically.
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Not allowed. As soon as one does the usual lot get defensive and you get silly comments coming out.
At the end of the day whether you love or hate AMD you want them to be doing a lot better than they are. But after so many **** ups over the years it just becomes funny to watch.
Like let's say the 9070xt is 5070Ti performance in every way. What will they do? Give us a £50 discount over nvidia... That won't get them meaningful marketshare or any at all.
5070Ti is not a £729 card. It is £599 at the very best. Really it should have been called a 5070 and be £499.
Just like the 9070XT should be £499. Do that and watch the buzz!
I mean look at how many reviewers hating on the 5000 series. Get price right and they will sing the praises of AMD.
But, if you're lucky, you will get £599 for the cheapest 9070xt. With good ones being closer to £700. Some will be happy, but it won't make much difference to marketshare at all and history will look back at it as another missed opportunity.
Nvidia's goal keeper goes toilet to take a ****. Goal is left open. AMD miss the goal or worse score an own goal. It is just their way these days.
It’s funny seeing the “AMD need to fight Nvidia” from people you know from their post history, only want it so they can get their Nvidia card cheaper.
“AMD need to fix their drivers”… at least theirs aren’t breaking GPUs
“AMD need to match Nvidia for features”… does that include melting GPUs due to poor power connector design?
I want AMD to be cheap as well but the same poster(s) only a few weeks ago were saying they were happy to purchase a 5080 at £1200 - £1400. Yet somehow it’s all on AMD to “bring the fight to Nvidia”.
The 5070Ti costs £800 to £1000 and is out of stock (most likely poor stock levels as per Nvidia’s plans). To be fair this is being called out. Yet here we are with people in AMD thread lamenting about AMD need to fight Nvidia and “if they charge £700 for this it’s a fail”.
Frankly the way things are if the 9070XT is trading blows with a 5070Ti for £750 or less it will fly off the shelves. I don’t like it but this is down to consumers… not Nvidia or AMD.
“AMD need to fix their drivers”… at least theirs aren’t breaking GPUs
“AMD need to match Nvidia for features”… does that include melting GPUs due to poor power connector design?
I want AMD to be cheap as well but the same poster(s) only a few weeks ago were saying they were happy to purchase a 5080 at £1200 - £1400. Yet somehow it’s all on AMD to “bring the fight to Nvidia”.
The 5070Ti costs £800 to £1000 and is out of stock (most likely poor stock levels as per Nvidia’s plans). To be fair this is being called out. Yet here we are with people in AMD thread lamenting about AMD need to fight Nvidia and “if they charge £700 for this it’s a fail”.
Frankly the way things are if the 9070XT is trading blows with a 5070Ti for £750 or less it will fly off the shelves. I don’t like it but this is down to consumers… not Nvidia or AMD.
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In the past.gpu didn't cost over 1k and was easy to obtain one on launch day.
Plus the gains per gen were much higher.
Competition breeds price wars and forces rivals to compete and improve.
Right on cue
Yep. AMD should price the 9070XT at £750. It will fly off the shelves. 50% marketshare in no time!
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600!Right on cue
Yep. AMD should price the 9070XT at £750. It will fly off the shelves. 50% marketshare in no time!
Right on cue
Yep. AMD should price the 9070XT at £750. It will fly off the shelves. 50% marketshare in no time!
Show me where I am getting defensive? My post was lamenting the state we find ourselves in and I’m not defending AMD. That’s the problem with you and your logic yet again. I’m getting at the hypocrisy of some posters giving off about drivers and features and how this all means AMD should be much cheaper or else.
It’s the underlying failed logic that despite what Nvidia do to **** off consumers, it’s up to AMD to save us. Then AMD get the blame when the blame is actually on the consumer.
NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - Technical/General Discussion
what exactly am I looking at here? I saw this yesterday but was too busy with work to try to make heads or tails of it.
forums.overclockers.co.uk
AMD or Nvidia don’t owe us a thing and if their prices and practices suck it’s the consumer who should vote with their wallet. But the majority clearly don’t.
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Absolutely agree with you.
My point was AMD have done those things in the past and not been successful, by whatever metric they measure. Hence the change to the premium brand pricing strategy just below the competition.
They (AMD) don't care about how much we pay, only that we pay it.
I'm not really even sure they care all that much about market share as long as the make bank to their satisfaction judging by current pricing rumours.
Edit: typos. It's early.
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I do find it amusing how AMD have done literally nothing at this point, no price, performance or availability announcements let alone an actual release, and they're getting an absolute kicking for all of those things
Oh I do think they deserve some stick for all of that. But hindsight shows they were right to wait. They now know exactly the street price and the fake MSRP the 5070Ti. So they get to price £100 cheaper and control stock so only and handful meet that price point and call it a win.
£650 - £700 fake MSRP. Retailer price gouging an extra £100 - £150 and you have a 5070Ti competitor for what on paper is about £150 less.
They were absolutely right to wait, but only if they get pricing right as we've all been saying for months.
Look at Jay's 5070ti video - he's normally pretty easy on Nvidia and he was brutal. AMD have never had an opportunity like this to disrupt the market and for the first time, performance doesn't really matter. People just want a well-priced option at launch where they don't feel like they're being bent over by anyone in the supply chain.
£650-£700 fake MSRP is ok, but it's not going to make anyone happy or glad that they exist. The further below £600 they go, the better they look. They will likely sell out at launch at any given price, but in 6 months' time a high MSRP will look worse and worse, so they should be looking to play the long game.
I can actually see a reality where AMD use their delayed launch to good effect and disrupt the market, which is why I'm saving my ire for actual facts rather than losing my mind over hypotheticals. We'll have the entire release cycle to batter AMD (and believe me, there will be a sizeable chunk who do so even if they release at £250 with 2x 5090 perf).
So yeah, to summarise, they'll do well over the short term pretty much whatever they do, as you say. But they have an opportunity to reset the market like never before, and pretty much all the media has been unified in how to do so. They've made all the right steps so far.
We all want the market to be shaken up by a nicely priced AMD gpu but I don't expect anything less than £750 for the xt and I can't help think even that might be wishful thinking.
AMD have way more intelligent people than me who can likely also see the opportunity to undercut Nvidia but I doubt they have the freedom to do so.
Let's not get too excited
AMD have way more intelligent people than me who can likely also see the opportunity to undercut Nvidia but I doubt they have the freedom to do so.
Let's not get too excited
I wonder if nvidia delayed the 5070 just so amd couldn't use it as the benchmark in their presentation. Feel like if amd want to point to a card that they just straight up beat across the board it will be the 5070. And I can see nvidia being that petty.
Would be funny if amd use it anyway. No way amd won't be able to get their hands on a 5070 at least at the same time as reviewers. And probably won't have signed any sort of nda about it. So could just leak the 5070 performance.
Would be funny if amd use it anyway. No way amd won't be able to get their hands on a 5070 at least at the same time as reviewers. And probably won't have signed any sort of nda about it. So could just leak the 5070 performance.
There's plenty of negativity to go around in the absence of an announcement
There's plenty of negativity to go around in the absence of an announcement
Every time AMD release something I get slightly hyped then it falls flat. The cards do end up being solid but I've grown a bit pessimistic now.
The whole pc gpu landscape is terrible really.
Yeah, but if they show an official comparison that would be leaking the performance before the review embargo.
Which i think would be very funny