*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[terley]

I agree - but even if that is no longer true with RDNA4, people will still believe exactly that.

I mean people are still hung up on AMD drivers when that hasn't been an issue for many years.

This is why they need to get people on board. People will just parrot what they're being told unless they try for themselves.

they need their own Cyberpunk, a game that they can work with long term to showcase incredible visuals.

whoever at NVIDIA who thought of the sponsorship with Cyberpunk over ray-tracing and showcasing their new tech was a genius..

Some kind of upcoming game, or a game that already exists that they can showcase what their cards can do, to get some buzz in the gaming sphere..

 

[uscool]

Imo, the reason a lot of people swerved AMD last gen was largely based on being told their Raytracing sucks and FSR is inferior to DLSS..

AMD NEED to match NVIDIA on RT, they can't stay 1-2 generations behind NVIDIA anymore, not now new games are coming out with RT as a requirement

They ain't gonna match it with RDNA 4 but it looks like they have closed the gap at 2k it should be playable plus add in upscaling this time using hardware upscaling

Doesn't have to match it they just need to price it well and still win

 

[Bidley]

they need their own Cyberpunk, a game that they can work with long term to showcase incredible visuals.

whoever at NVIDIA who thought of the sponsorship with Cyberpunk over ray-tracing and showcasing their new tech was a genius..

Some kind of upcoming game, or a game that already exists that they can showcase what their cards can do, to get some buzz in the gaming sphere..

Like Starfield?

Which is a perfect match for AMD - a game that people who didn't play love to hate on

 

[jonneymendoza]

they need their own Cyberpunk, a game that they can work with long term to showcase incredible visuals.

whoever at NVIDIA who thought of the sponsorship with Cyberpunk over ray-tracing and showcasing their new tech was a genius..

Some kind of upcoming game, or a game that already exists that they can showcase what their cards can do, to get some buzz in the gaming sphere..

Star citizen could be that game.its being built from the ground up including the actual engine.

The guys and girls there are currently fine tuning the rendering engine.thats how much control they have on it and imagine if they partnered with AMD!

It already looks great and its easily top 3 good looking games out there at the moment.

 

[Murphy]

RTX5090D?

Don't think it would be, going on the TPU database both variants are meant to have the same ROP count.

TPU 5090
TPU 5090D

e: They also updated their OG article on the subject to include this..

Update 14:22 UTC: Apparently the issue isn't specific to Zotac, HXL posted a screenshot of an MSI RTX 5090D, the China-specific variant of the RTX 5090 with nerfed compute performance, but which is supposed to have 176 ROPs. Much like the Zotac RTX 5090 Solid, it has 8 missing ROPs.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Don't think it would be, going on the TPU database both variants are meant to have the same ROP count.

TPU 5090
TPU 5090D

RTX5090DF?

 

[Besty]

Imo, the reason a lot of people swerved AMD last gen was largely based on being told their Raytracing sucks and FSR is inferior to DLSS.

AMD NEED to match NVIDIA on RT, they can't stay 1-2 generations behind NVIDIA anymore, not now new games are coming out with RT as a requirement

don't worry the reviewers won't let us forget this with the 9070XT Vs 5070Ti reviews.

and if you do happen to forget, they will be providing numerous performance graphs from cyberpunk and black myth.

 

[Joxeon]

Wonder how far out the 9060s are, I imagine they will have been continuing with the development on those in the background regardless of the 9070s delayed launch. The 9060 and 9060xt could be 32 and 28 CUs

Probably a couple of weeks after the 5060 cards as AMD is waiting on Nvidia to decide the price for them.

 

[Joxeon]

Its seem obvious AMD will price it high but I don't want to believe they would be so dumb to go £799.
I think it will be £599 (none XT) and £699 for the XT.

£699 would be incredibly dumb, that would only make it 10% better in price performance over a 7800XT assuming it can match a 7900XTX.

 

[rare]

I need more performance rumours.

 

[loftie]

That's preloading a bad review, he knows there is no way its going to be $300 less than its Nvidia competitor (in some instances half the price) he's setting unrealistic expectations because he doesn't want give it any positivity.

This petty bickering of his with AMD needs to stop.

Their arguement was that the 7900xtx offered, according to their benchmarks, about a 20% better value over the 4080 and yet their market share dropped. So if that's the case, the only way to get more people to buy is to make themselves more attractive. IIRC they did mention FSR 4 could be one way they can do that, but it's still an unknown.

I can see what they're saying, and I agree. I don't know what price would be 'good enough', but it's obvious if they want market share then with everything else being the same price needs to be reduced. I said the same thing WRT Intels, though apparently everyone seems to be blown away by their current pricing - i think it should be cheaper tbh.

 

[FredFlint]

£699 would be incredibly dumb, that would only only make it 10% better in price performance over a 7800XT assuming it can match a 7900XTX.

I agree, I see it as a replacement for the 7800XT(could even be pin compatible) so should be the same price or less but that's unlikely to happen.

 

[humbug]

Their arguement was that the 7900xtx offered, according to their benchmarks, about a 20% better value over the 4080 and yet their market share dropped. So if that's the case, the only way to get more people to buy is to make themselves more attractive. IIRC they did mention FSR 4 could be one way they can do that, but it's still an unknown.

I can see what they're saying, and I agree. I don't know what price would be 'good enough', but it's obvious if they want market share then with everything else being the same price needs to be reduced. I said the same thing WRT Intels, though apparently everyone seems to be blown away by their current pricing - i think it should be cheaper tbh.

They could be £300 and they might gain marketshare, or they might not, their argument assumes AMD wish to gain marketshare even if that mean taking heavy looses on every GPU they sell, and its not just AMD, they have BOM costs and development costs but beyond that they have partners who also need to turn a profit, and the retailer or whats the point in even stocking them? They don't sell these things for free, AMD don't design them for free and AIB's don't make them for free, there comes a point where there is no money in it for anyone involved.

Its one thing for them to say to AMD its never cheap enough until they take Nvidia marketshare but its quite another to say to your audience your not getting value for money because they aren't taking Nvidia's marketshare, all they are doing is encouraging Nvidia to make their GPU's ever more expensive because as they read it is they have a 40%, 50%, 60%..... premium over AMD no matter what AMD's GPU's cost.

If not malicious these people are at the very least stupid and part of the problem.

 

[humbug]

Why is it always AMD's job to hold Nvidia to account? And what's more do it with their own money? What happened to that being the responsibility of Journalism?????

 

[mahius]

Hmmmmm with the new information just come out I cannot see the 9070xt being faster than 7900xt in raster closer to 7900gre.

Hype train derailed:

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT & RX 9070 GPU Performance Leaks Out: Comparable To RX 7900 GRE & RX 7800 XT

The first performance benchmarks of AMD's RDNA 4-based Radeon RX 9070 XT & 9070 GPUs have leaked out at Geekbench.

wccftech.com

Doesn't look right given the clockspeeds and compute units, I recall the clock speeds being closer to 3000Mhz. Also who the hell is making up GPU performance rumours and clearly writing names of GPUs in screenshots? I would have said these could be the 9060/9060XT, but the supposed screenshots show 9070/9070XT. Hope into MS Word and one can make a screenshot just like that!

Displayport 2.1a confirmed.

From where? Source? Also 2.1a doesn't mean much by itself, since it covers a variety of bandwidths now. I.e need to know if it's UHBR13.5 like the previous GPUs or UHBR20, like the Nvidia 5000 series. AMD were trying to rub in the DP2.1 in Nvidia's face last gen, it would be silly of them to concede DP bandwidth to Nvidia this gen.

The plot thickens

Alleged AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT nearly matches RX 7900 XTX in leaked Furmark 4K benchmark - VideoCardz.com

RX 9070 XT leak: Furmark is not just for stress testing It looks like AMD is preparing a surprise. AMD Radeon RX 9070 series are set to launch in two weeks, and in just one week AMD will disclose full details on the architecture. Gamers should look forward to full specs, performance, and...

videocardz.com

This matches most of the leaks we already know. Atm, I'm expecting the performance of the 9070XT to be close to a 7900XTX. And the non-XT similar to 7900XT. If somehow they don't and end up performing way below this, then the XT will fail priced anything far above £500.

I also realise this week went quick... only 7 days till we have anything actually official. Just waiting to see how AMD balls it up. While we all hope they don't.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

They could be £300 and they might gain marketshare, or they might not, their argument assumes AMD wish to gain marketshare even if that mean taking heavy looses on every GPU they sell, and its not just AMD, they have BOM costs and development costs but beyond that they have partners who also need to turn a profit, and the retailer or whats the point in even stocking them? They don't sell these things for free, AMD don't design them for free and AIB's don't make them for free, there comes a point where there is no money in it for anyone involved.

Its one thing for them to say to AMD its never cheap enough until they take Nvidia marketshare but its quite another to say to your audience your not getting value for money because they aren't taking Nvidia's marketshare, all they are doing is encouraging Nvidia to make their GPU's ever more expensive because as they read it is they have a 40%, 50%, 60%..... premium over AMD no matter what AMD's GPU's cost.

If not malicious these people are at the very least stupid and part of the problem.

Yeah, AMD should just sell the 9070XT for $2000. Make decent profit on each one, who cares if you don't sell very many if you're making a huge profit on each one.
Some people would still buy them if they cost $2000 and offered 4060 performance.

 

[humbug]

Yeah, AMD should just sell the 9070XT for $2000. Make decent profit on each one, who cares if you don't sell very many if you're making a huge profit on each one.
Some people would still buy them if they cost $2000 and offered 4060 performance.

Its not AMD doing that...

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

Its not AMD doing that...

Maybe they should...

 

[humbug]

Maybe they should...

No.

 

[humbug]

We are asking AMD for reasonable pricing, that's all, i still want everyone in the chain to make some money out of it, just common sense should tell any thinking person about where that is, keep dropping the price until you outsell Nvidia is idiotic.

Look, Nvidia could push AMD out of the market in less than one generation, all they have to do is sell all their competing cards at below cost, which is also below AMD's cost, for long enough, this is pocket change to Nvidia, its nothing, its what you stuff in to the charity jar because you don't want to carry it around, for AMD its the end of their dGPU adventure.

These people talking up AMD getting in to this sort of price war by themselves.... initiating it.... uummmm!