TIM, it's well regarded stuff, really good on air coolers.
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It’s the thermal interface material from the GPU to the cooler
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It's a thermal pad that performs better than some pastes...
https://www.igorslab.de/en/overhype...-test-and-as-game-changer-for-graphics-cards/
yeh. There are some games that really seem to bring its average down, even though its on a par with the 5070ti or beating it most of the time (in raster with no RT)
Like Elden Ring:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-9070-xt-nitro/15.html
Space Marine 2 is poor too:
Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+ Review - Beating NVIDIA
AMD's new RDNA 4 GPUs are launching today. The Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+ is a fantastic custom design with powerful cooling and whisper-quiet fans. In terms of FPS, the RX 9070 XT offers competitive performance with similarly priced NVIDIA options in both raster and ray tracing.
Hogwarts a bit odd:
Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+ Review - Beating NVIDIA
AMD's new RDNA 4 GPUs are launching today. The Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+ is a fantastic custom design with powerful cooling and whisper-quiet fans. In terms of FPS, the RX 9070 XT offers competitive performance with similarly priced NVIDIA options in both raster and ray tracing.
On the whole, it genuinely looks like a very fast card. Like in Cyberpunk with no RT:
Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+ Review - Beating NVIDIA
AMD's new RDNA 4 GPUs are launching today. The Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+ is a fantastic custom design with powerful cooling and whisper-quiet fans. In terms of FPS, the RX 9070 XT offers competitive performance with similarly priced NVIDIA options in both raster and ray tracing.
Pretty much the 2nd fastest card of all (when the 4090 and 5090 are taken out of the equation), and very close to the 5080.
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Yep. My 3080FE used to hit 110C memory hotspot in heavy gaming until I replaced the original pads with some GELID Extreme thermal pads. Now it gets to 92 max.
It's probably why Nvidia removed the memory hot spot monitoring from the 5000 series.
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But I don't like seeing high temps, even if they're within spec. With PC stuff my aim is cool and quiet.
I've not had chance to watch/read any reviews but it is quite funny that these AMD cards are being praised for their performance, especially RT, but then when you look at it is seems they around about the same as Nvidia 70 series cards from 2+ years ago and about the same compared to the current Nvidia 70 series. Both of which I seem to recall were not considered to be good. So other than price, why are AMD getting praised for achieving performance Nvidia criticised for?
As for price, yes AMD are better, but I'd bloomin' well expect them to be after they delayed for months to find out the price performance level they had to be better than and still had to ask tech tubers what price to sell at. If they'd announced these prices at CEs or whatever it was when Nvidia did then I'd think more of it. They used a tactic that not everyone could use, imagine if next gen both sides refuse to announce performance or pricing until 2 months after the other one has. We'd never get any cards. Which would probably suit both of them as they could concentrate on AI or whatever the next thing is.
That being said, still very much thinking of getting a 9070XT. Not sure which model yet, will need to see reviews (surprisingly the temp comparisons posted above make the Asus TUF look quite tempting). Also not sure if I'll buy straight away or wait to see if prices drop once both sides have managed to get more stock to retailers and the initial interest has died down. Might depend if I can get a MSRP card.
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Personally I’m edging towards keeping my 7800XT as the uplift in raster is only 36% according to TPU Rel Performance charts. I’d want at least 50% better with more vram and I’ll likely get that with UDNA in 2027 or with 60 series Rubin.
Also even though the Ray tracing is better on the 9070 cards it’s still not quite good enough for path tracing as evidenced by a poor showing in Black Myth and Indy Jones (30,15fps respectively).
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yeh. There are some games that really seem to bring its average down, even though its on a par with the 5070ti or beating it most of the time (in raster with no RT)
Like Elden Ring:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-9070-xt-nitro/15.html
Space Marine 2 is poor too:
Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+ Review - Beating NVIDIA
AMD's new RDNA 4 GPUs are launching today. The Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+ is a fantastic custom design with powerful cooling and whisper-quiet fans. In terms of FPS, the RX 9070 XT offers competitive performance with similarly priced NVIDIA options in both raster and ray tracing.www.techpowerup.com
Hogwarts a bit odd:
Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+ Review - Beating NVIDIA
AMD's new RDNA 4 GPUs are launching today. The Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+ is a fantastic custom design with powerful cooling and whisper-quiet fans. In terms of FPS, the RX 9070 XT offers competitive performance with similarly priced NVIDIA options in both raster and ray tracing.
On the whole, it genuinely looks like a very fast card. Like in Cyberpunk with no RT:
Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+ Review - Beating NVIDIA
AMD's new RDNA 4 GPUs are launching today. The Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+ is a fantastic custom design with powerful cooling and whisper-quiet fans. In terms of FPS, the RX 9070 XT offers competitive performance with similarly priced NVIDIA options in both raster and ray tracing.
Pretty much the 2nd fastest card of all (when the 4090 and 5090 are taken out of the equation), and very close to the 5080.
Its kinda funny, I do wonder whether the drivers people have are different, as IIRC Hardware Unboxed had the 9070XT smashing the 5070TI in SM2 at Ultra Quality, 1440p.
It is 45% faster according to TPU with lots of games used at 1440p and 49% faster at 4k :
Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+ Review - Beating NVIDIA
AMD's new RDNA 4 GPUs are launching today. The Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+ is a fantastic custom design with powerful cooling and whisper-quiet fans. In terms of FPS, the RX 9070 XT offers competitive performance with similarly priced NVIDIA options in both raster and ray tracing.
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If I've been using my 480 8GB until now I'm pretty sure you will be fine with 7800XT for quite a few years.
Until Stalker 2 brings out a new update where you get 5fps at 640x480 ultra low potato mode
If you're aiming for both you're doing it wrong IMO, i typically aim for +80°C before bothering with fan speeds above 800-900 RPM.
Obviously how noisy your system sounds is dependant on the background noise and loads of other stuff, but quiet and cool don't typically go hand-in-hand.
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They're getting praised for a few reasons:
1) A lot of people previously didnt expect they could catch up in so many areas; example in point, I've already seen comments FSR4 is better than DLSS CNN, but not quite as good as Transformer. So AMD's first go at AI upscaling is better than DLSS 1 through 3 immediately.
2) On top of that, although power hungry, the card has been designed in such a way where it can rival a 5070ti/5080, at considerably lower prices. £650 vs a 800-1300 card right about now, and suddenly the value becomes relevant.
3) This card is literally a stop gap, its an optimisation/bug fix on RDNA3. AMDs major change is expected next gen in UDNA, but if they've learn this much going from RNDA3->4, then they're going in the right direction, and they're finally trying to catch up somewhat on features (and doing a half way OK job on it, in terms of RT and AI upscaling)
4) Stocking, yes there have been delays, but information is there is actually stock coming in at much higher volumes compared to Nvidia, so essentially AMD is actually trying to feed the market that Nvidia quite obviously doesnt care all that much about right now.
5) These midrange cards are competing at the high end, they werent meant to, but Nvidia's 5000 series launch has had so many issues, it's made a somewhat competent release from AMD look good
6) They actually MAYBE seem to be learning a little, no idea whether the change of leadership at AMD Graphics has had anything to do with it, but its more positive than the last few releases.
7) Comparing RRP to RRP, there's actually a pretty good technological movement here vs AMD's prior cards. The card performs 7900XT to a bit faster than the 7900XTX in raster, dependent on games, and is better than both in RT. They were set as £899 and 999 RRP on release. This next generation card is £570-630 real world RRP. That's actually a decent generational uplift, and not a complete stagnation like has been seen so much since the crypto boom and COVID. Even compared to the 7800XT which started out around 500, these have increased in price by 20%, but increased performance by 30% or so its not a stagnation, there is literally more value per dollar, when so many cards have gone backwards.
The Pulse cards being available tomorrow throws a major cat amongst the pigeon in my plans as Im now torn between the Pulse's actually pretty decent RRP value at £570, and the Nitro for the better cooler, looks and better performance/potential, even if I'm losing a bit of value for that - TPU got a realworld roughly 10% boost out of thiers compared to stock; and that makes some of the charts GN put out with the stock Pulse variant look mighty interesting, when you add another 10% to the 9070XT's results (you're talking right on top of a 5080 in raster... at £700 vs 1250), and has it competing even better. The real world decision for me was much easier when I was expecting all the cards to be £630+
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It is 45% faster according to TPU with lots of games used at 1440p and 49% faster at 4k :
Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+ Review - Beating NVIDIA
AMD's new RDNA 4 GPUs are launching today. The Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+ is a fantastic custom design with powerful cooling and whisper-quiet fans. In terms of FPS, the RX 9070 XT offers competitive performance with similarly priced NVIDIA options in both raster and ray tracing.
All I see is 30% at 1440p and 33% better at 4K.
Also it is the Nitro 9070XT which is overclocked out of the box so the actual uplift from a base spec model would be at best 30% at 4K and 28% at 1440p according to HUB.
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Dont know if this has been posted here, a spreadsheet from "PC Builder" on youtube which goes into a lot of detail on each cards specs. Very handy.
docs.google.com
PUBLIC - AMD 9000 Series GPU Models
They're getting praised for a few reasons:
1) A lot of people previously didnt expect they could catch up in so many areas; example in point, I've already seen comments FSR4 is better than DLSS CNN, but not quite as good as Transformer. So AMD's first go at AI upscaling is better than DLSS 1 through 3 immediately.
2) On top of that, although power hungry, the card has been designed in such a way where it can rival a 5070ti/5080, at considerably lower prices. £650 vs a 800-1300 card right about now, and suddenly the value becomes relevant.
3) This card is literally a stop gap, its an optimisation/bug fix on RDNA3. AMDs major change is expected next gen in UDNA, but if they've learn this much going from RNDA3->4, then they're going in the right direction, and they're finally trying to catch up somewhat on features (and doing a half way OK job on it, in terms of RT and AI upscaling)
4) Stocking, yes there have been delays, but information is there is actually stock coming in at much higher volumes compared to Nvidia, so essentially AMD is actually trying to feed the market that Nvidia quite obviously doesnt care all that much about right now.
5) These midrange cards are competing at the high end, they werent meant to, but Nvidia's 5000 series launch has had so many issues, it's made a somewhat competent release from AMD look good
6) They actually MAYBE seem to be learning a little, no idea whether the change of leadership at AMD Graphics has had anything to do with it, but its more positive than the last few releases.
The Pulse cards being available tomorrow throws a major cat amongst the pigeon in my plans as Im now torn between the Pulse's actually pretty decent RRP value at £570, and the Nitro for the better cooler, looks and better performance/potential, even if I'm losing a bit of value for that - TPU got a realworld roughly 10% boost out of thiers compared to stock; and that makes some of the charts GN put out with the stock Pulse variant look mighty interesting, when you add another 10% to the 9070XT's results, and has it competing even better. The real world decision fro me was much easier when I was expecting all the cards to be £630+
Yeh.
To be honest, at £570 it makes the whole Nvidia 5 series line up (apart from the 5090 which is sort of in a different league/market segment) look far too expensive. I mean even in RT the 5070ti is only better by about 15% than the 9070XT.
All I see is 30% at 1440p and 33% better at 4K.
Also it is the Nitro 9070XT which is overclocked out of the box so the actual uplift from a base spec model would be at best 30% at 4K and 28% at 1440p according to HUB.
That isnt how those percentages work. At 1440p, the 7800XT being 69% of the 9070XT performance =/= the 9070XT only being 31% faster than the 7800XT.
All I see is 30% at 1440p and 33% better at 4K.
That's not how math works, but I can't be surprised with the UK education system
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Hub puts it at 30% better according to their game averages.
So who do we believe- see above and below.
If we are being pedantic TPU charts say yes 31% difference in performance than 7800xt at 69% of the 9070XT is 44.5% better.
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All I see is 30% at 1440p and 33% better at 4K.
Also it is the Nitro 9070XT which is overclocked out of the box so the actual uplift from a base spec model would be at best 30% at 4K and 28% at 1440p according to HUB.
Your card is 30% worse, but the other card is more that 30% better.
For example, card A gets 50 FPS, card B gets 100 FPS.
Card A is 50% slower that card B
Card B is 100% faster that card A