*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[fs123]

It could be £200 cheaper, people will still go Nvidia.

DLSS is a big selling point but if FSR4 offers similar quality then there will be no real reason to go for an expensive Nvidia card. Hopefully AMD can offer RT and upscaling that is competitive this time.

 

[JediFragger]

Hopefully AMD can offer RT and upscaling that is competitive this time.

A big ask as they just don't have the engineers that Nvidia has, but let's hope! Also hoping that FSR4 is fully compatible with RDNA3...

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Still peddling the 'delayed card' thing because so called leakers were totally wrong and had to come up with a reason as to why. Thats like when the radon vii was unveiled, leakers had been predicting rdna to be unveiled, then got it wrong and said a last minute bug delayed the gpu being shown, seems legit.

As for my card, I was on a 3080ti, and before that a 6900xt, i downgraded because my interest in gaming has went downhill, so it's not like I've been using a vega card for several years.

You are too worried about the leakers. The standard response on here is the "pesky" Nvidia marketing. Yet,Nvidia had that level of marketing for 20+ years even to the extend of using influencers online on forums. It's nothing new and ATI still did far better than AMD RTG did.

I talked about the timing of the launches and lack of volume,etc for years.

Look at the last few AMD mainstream launches:
1.)RX6600XT - launched 5 months after the RTX3060
2.)RX6700XT - launched 4 months after the RTX3060TI
3.)RX7700XT - launched 3 months after the RTX4060TI
4.)RX7800XT - launched 4 months after the RTX4070
5.)RTX4060 and RX7600 launched in the same month,but the latter had worse volume and similar pricing

This is why OEMs never use them - delayed launches with poor volume. It makes 100% sense to just use Nvidia.

AMD is already behind in upscaling,etc. FSR4 and RDNA4 RT will probably not match Blackwell in features,but be more competitive with Ada Lovelace. If these had launched by now,they would be compared with the RTX4000 series. But with the current cadence,it will be a comparison with the RTX5000 series, Unless ATI competes on price from launch,the only way is to launch in-between Nvidia launches with enough volume which they are not doing.

Nvidia appears to be launching the RTX5090/RTX5080/RTX5070 within the same time frame.

DLSS is a big selling point but if FSR4 offers similar quality then there will be no real reason to go for an expensive Nvidia card. Hopefully AMD can offer RT and upscaling that is competitive this time.

A big ask as they just don't have the engineers that Nvidia has, but let's hope! Also hoping that FSR4 is fully compatible with RDNA3...

Only if AMD got these out before the RTX5000 series with decent volume. The big issue is since they are probably only get this out when the RTX5000 series is in full swing,FSR4 will be now competing with DLSS4 and not DLSS3. Even if RT performance is improved,it will be also compared with Blackwell. GDDR7 will also help with power consumption too. Nvidia can get away with a narrower memory bus.

The only thing AMD has ATM will be VRAM capacity but once 3GB modules are more common,that won't be there anymore.

 

[humbug]

AMD repeatedly launching late and a few percent cheaper ain't going to cut it,especially when Nvidia has much more stock too. RDNA4 should have been out last year,so the cards were compared to the RTX4000 series. Using old TSMC 4N 5NM and ancient GDDR6 and they still can't get these out,when Nvidia is moving onto GDDR7,which means there will be power savings too.

But AMD is going to launch these when the RTX5000 series is out and will look even more behind and the tariffs will further increase price.

As usual AMD are more concerned with trying to clear out old stock at a minimal discount and match Nvidia pricing. Now we are hearing March is when these cards will actually have volume,this is going to be another disaster unless they are priced cheap. In the end if this is another useless launch,with poorly supported features,limited stock,etc they should honestly just give up and concentrate on consoles and integrated graphics.

99% of people won't bother waiting for them - even those who would consider them.

Ever since their rubbish "we are a premium" brand marketing strategy their share has disintegrated. Nvidia spends lots of money on marketing and features and bothers to do proper launches.If AMD want's to do the same they need to spent more money and effort.

Most system integrators won't touch AMD with a bargepole if they are launching at the same time as Nvidia(or later) and with less volume. The laptop RTX4060 is the second most popular dGPU on Steam,because it's easy to find. AMD cards are hard to find,because system integrators can't be bothered with them.

I would agree with them - why wait for AMD if there is no real advantage in time to market and cost for them over Nvidia? The mainstream RDNA3 cards launched after the RTX4000 equivalents.

The only selling point left for AMD is moar VRAM. But because they launch so late,Nvidia will end up finding ways around that too.

Aren't they both paper launching in a few days with availability in a few weeks?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Aren't they both paper launching in a few days with availability in a few weeks?

Apparently. The other issue will be the tariffs which will probably not help the global price.

 

[Ross Thomson]

I’m looking forward to seeing the Sapphire designs, the 7000 series Nitro cards were absolutely stunning (I had a 7900XT then a XTX and now a 7700 XT - wish I kept the 7900 XT all along!).

Easily some of the best looking AIB cards I’ve seen for years.

bought my sapphire GRE because it looked plain TBH.

 

[humbug]

Apparently. The other issue will be the tariffs which will probably not help the global price.

Trump is all mouth, or rather he uses these kind of threats to put people on edge which helps him get what he wants, he wants a better balance of trade between China / EU and the US, we don't buy much of their stuff and China certainly doesn't, he wants to redress that and the threat of tariffs is a good motivator.

Those tariffs are not going to happen, there will be a compromise, a deal.

But ignoring that its a good idea to at least get the products imported and stock piled where they are to be sold.

 

[humbug]

Also... i forgot, those tariffs shouldn't effect us, the UK isn't imposing any new tariffs on Chinses made goods, at least not beyond the tariffs we already put on such goods, yes we already do it, its called VAT.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Trump is all mouth, or rather he uses these kind of threats to put people on edge which helps him get what he wants, he wants a better balance of trade between China / EU and the US, we don't buy much of their stuff and China certainly doesn't, he wants to redress that and the threat of tariffs is a good motivator.

Those tariffs are not going to happen, there will be a compromise, a deal.

But ignoring that its a good idea to at least get the products imported and stock piled where they are to be sold.

Also... i forgot, those tariffs shouldn't effect us, the UK isn't imposing any new tariffs on Chinses made goods, at least not beyond the tariffs we already put on such goods, yes we already do it, its called VAT.

The issue is that companies don't want to lose US sales too. So if they happen,they will distribute the additional costs across multiple markets to minimise the US impact.

But the timing of both launches is unfortunate!

 

[humbug]

Like i said, its not going to happen, he just wants the world to buy more American made stuff, we already buy a very small number of their cars and opening up more of the US market to the UK / EU shouldn't be a problem, unless Labour try to make it one.

 

[Gerard]

You are too worried about the leakers.

As that's where most of this pish is being peddled, particularly the supposed delayed release date that you've been ranting about for ages now that never had any substance behind it whatsoever, but that's been the cornerstone of basically most of your posts over the last few months in relation to rdna 4.

You can believe whatever you want, rdna 4 is just a midrange stopgap before udna, much as the 5700x was for the 6k series. I'm content to sit back and see what both camps have to offer.

 

[tommybhoy]

About 10 years ago in this forum there was complaining about Nv's lack of community involvement in comparison with AMD.

Lately, anything Radeon's literally dropped off the radar on my timeline, where as Nv's ramped up their gaming presence into overdrive since at least the start of December in prep to Blackwell launch.

 

[Ross Thomson]

so the 9070XT is the replacement for the 7800XT and the 9700 a replacement for the 7700XT? The 9070 would be pitched against a 5070(Ti) then

cost wise no more than £500 but probably will be unless the 7800XT gets a price reduction which it should especially if there is a 9700 variant.

N4p gives a decent bump in energy efficiency but small bump in transition density over N5

nobody is going to care about ray tracing on this card unless it is the same as nVidia.

So ultimately this card is going to have to rely on a low price to gain market share in the GPU world but going by AMD they will screw that up.


Does that sum up 88 pages?

 

[Gerard]

so the 9070XT is the replacement for the 7800XT and the 9700 a replacement for the 7700XT? The 9070 would be pitched against a 5070(Ti) then

cost wise no more than £500 but probably will be unless the 7800XT gets a price reduction which it should especially if there is a 9700 variant.

N4p gives a decent bump in energy efficiency but small bump in transition density over N5

nobody is going to care about ray tracing on this card unless it is the same as nVidia.

So ultimately this card is going to have to rely on a low price to gain market share in the GPU world but going by AMD they will screw that up.


Does that sum up 88 pages?

 

[JediFragger]

bought my sapphire GRE because it looked plain TBH.

Pulse? I love those, no fuss no RGB **** just good cooling

 

[JediFragger]

Lately, anything Radeon's literally dropped off the radar on my timeline, where as Nv's ramped up their gaming presence into overdrive since at least the start of December in prep to Blackwell launch.

RTG chop and change so much (inc naming schemes) I'm not really surprised at this, doesn't really come across as much of a stable entity hence not giving the impression of being taken seriously by its parent company (AMD). Barely more than a side-project for them and probably even a money-loss overall!

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

so the 9070XT is the replacement for the 7800XT and the 9700 a replacement for the 7700XT? The 9070 would be pitched against a 5070(Ti) then

cost wise no more than £500 but probably will be unless the 7800XT gets a price reduction which it should especially if there is a 9700 variant.

N4p gives a decent bump in energy efficiency but small bump in transition density over N5

nobody is going to care about ray tracing on this card unless it is the same as nVidia.

So ultimately this card is going to have to rely on a low price to gain market share in the GPU world but going by AMD they will screw that up.


Does that sum up 88 pages?

This is the same company which managed to lose marketshare against one of the worst priced Nvidia generations of the last 10 years,by replicating Nvidia pricing structures and naming but launching late and with the software features being under developed. Now they are spinning they are going after the "mainstream" by doing exactly the same thing as they did before.

AMD in 2025:

Spoiler

 

[TNA]

Gerard in 2025:

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FTFY

 

[Calin Banc]

DLSS is a big selling point but if FSR4 offers similar quality then there will be no real reason to go for an expensive Nvidia card. Hopefully AMD can offer RT and upscaling that is competitive this time.

One thing is to get to the same image quality, another to get it implemented into games to the extend DLSS is, plus to be easily swapped by the end user.

 

[welshrat]

I’m looking forward to seeing the Sapphire designs, the 7000 series Nitro cards were absolutely stunning (I had a 7900XT then a XTX and now a 7700 XT - wish I kept the 7900 XT all along!).

Easily some of the best looking AIB cards I’ve seen for years.

Yeah best looking AIB cards including Nvidia. One of the reasons I want to stay AMD.