Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[r7slayer]

Doubt it. If the AIBs are still working on it, they won't have told retailers and that info is probably still under NDA. If you told retailers now, the spec would leak everywhere because the retailers are customer facing. More likely is some webstore is quoting made up figures, and the rest have copied it just to get preorders. Isn't 375W exactly the max power limit supplied by the PCIe slot plus two power connectors?

Yea by spec
75 PCI_E
two 8 pin 150+150
They could go three 8 pin lol but they would get crucified for that.
TBF that's what the FE is two 8 pin. So it would be maxing out its spec at 375.

 

[Gerard]

Power limit has been exceeded before, 295x2 I think used more.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Doubt it. If the AIBs are still working on it, they won't have told retailers and that info is probably still under NDA. If you told retailers now, the spec would leak everywhere because the retailers are customer facing. More likely is some webstore is quoting made up figures, and the rest have copied it just to get preorders. Isn't 375W exactly the max power limit supplied by the PCIe slot plus two power connectors?

Yes it is, 75W for PCIe and 300W for two 8-pins.

Also we can't forget Apple is putting these GPUs into their iMacs. They ignored Hawaii and Fiji due to their power and heat; Vega wouldn't fit in an AIO iMac if it was 375W for the TDP at 13 TFLOPS.

Apple is putting in a 11 TFLOP base level Vega card, with option for full 64 CU 16GB card as well.
That plus an 18 Core Xeon, and 32-128GB RAM crammed into a monitor back would melt at 375W TDP for GPU alone; nevermind a Skylake Xeon and the rest.

 

[AllBodies]

Yes it is, 75W for PCIe and 300W for two 8-pins.

Also we can't forget Apple is putting these GPUs into their iMacs. They ignored Hawaii and Fiji due to their power and heat; Vega wouldn't fit in an AIO iMac if it was 375W for the TDP at 13 TFLOPS.

Apple is putting in a 11 TFLOP base level Vega card, with option for full 64 CU 16GB card as well.
That plus an 18 Core Xeon, and 32-128GB RAM crammed into a monitor back would melt at 375W TDP for GPU alone; nevermind a Skylake Xeon and the rest.

Yeah the fact it's going in the iMac Pro, plus the fact they feel confident to charge more than the Titan Xp for it (despite it not having FP64 turned on), does make me more intrigued than I already was to see the final performance and efficiency.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Yeah the fact it's going in the iMac Pro, plus the fact they feel confident to charge more than the Titan Xp for it (despite it not having FP64 turned on), does make me more intrigued than I already was to see the final performance and efficiency.

Agreed, the thing that's throwing people off is that water cooled card at a mental price. Plus the original retailer that listed the max board power( well before anyone else, they're likely copying them) and compared it to the Titan X have since removed that chart and data mostly.

Both Egg and Rainforest in the USA also pulled their Fromtier Edition listings, so I wonder what's going on thee as well.

Either way not long now before we get all the information we want on the Frontier Editon.

 

[AllBodies]

Agreed, the thing that's throwing people off is that water cooled card at a mental price. Plus the original retailer that listed the max board power( well before anyone else, they're likely copying them) and compared it to the Titan X have since removed that chart and data mostly.

Both Egg and Rainforest in the USA also pulled their Fromtier Edition listings, so I wonder what's going on thee as well.

Either way not long now before we get all the information we want on the Frontier Editon.

Also I definitely don't want to get ahead of myself, however I was thinking last night about whether Vega could have higher real-world performance per Gflop than Pascal.

Obviously we know that no one's architecture is 100% efficient (nor is there really an answer to what an 100% efficient arch really means), but we do know Pascal needs less Gflops per FPS than Polaris does.

Also it's reasonable to assume both Nvidia and AMD will continue to improve that, so Volta will be faster than Pascal at the same Gflops (in games), Navi will be faster than Polaris in the same way, etc.

So just how much have AMD improved the efficiency of Vega vs Polars & Pascal?

Is it entirely out of the question that they've gone above Pascal?

 

[N19h7m4r3]

So just how much have AMD improved the efficiency of Vega vs Polars & Pascal?

Is it entirely out of the question that they've gone above Pascal?

We'll just have to wait for reviews, and hope AMD's launch day drivers are up to decent levels. That alone can make or break this long awaited launch.

 

[FoxEye]

This is all theoretical anyhow.

None of us will ever see a Vega card as the large-scale Ethereum miners will have pre-ordered all of them anyway.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

This is all theoretical anyhow.

None of us will ever see a Vega card as the large-scale Ethereum miners will have pre-ordered all of them anyway.

Maybe that's why it's priced so high at retailers for preorder. Miners don't want them then

 

[Cromulent]

So I haven't got the time to read the entire thread. Is there any rumour on when Vega is going to come out? I'm thinking of getting an AMD Threadripper system and a Vega card would go along with it really nicely. If Vega isn't out by then I'd have to get a 1080Ti instead (which isn't a bad thing but if Vega is faster and works better with an AMD CPU that would obviously be my preference).

Hopefully the AMD graphics drivers will be better than they were the last time I used an AMD card.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

So I haven't got the time to read the entire thread. Is there any rumour on when Vega is going to come out?

Vega Instinct MI25 is out it's a; "Telsa" style card.

Vega Frontier Edition is out 27th June, this is AMD's "Titan"

Radeon RX Vega for normal gamers is out Siggraph end of July.

 

[Cromulent]

Vega Instinct MI25 is out it's a; "Telsa" style card.

Vega Frontier Edition is out 27th June, this is AMD's "Titan"

Radeon RX Vega for normal gamers is out Siggraph end of July.

Awesome. Thank you. So it sounds like the Vega cards will be available when I order an AMD Threadripper system (assuming Threadripper is as good as everyone says it will be). That is good. Nice to see some competition in both the CPU market and the GPU market now. Although it does make buying a new computer more confusing.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Awesome. Thank you. So it sounds like the Vega cards will be available when I order an AMD Threadripper system (assuming Threadripper is as good as everyone says it will be). That is good. Nice to see some competition in both the CPU market and the GPU market now. Although it does make buying a new computer more confusing.

It's certainly a fun year for tech enthusiasts. Threadripper will be all about price to performance if you need the extra threads. I'm looking at it myself, but will wait for reviews on them all.

 

[nashathedog]

This thread is so much more enjoyable now that posts from ignored members are now hidden even if quoted by others

You've missed soo much good stuff! Popcorn and everything, and not even a single mention of wccftech! Now you're thinking, maybe I should take people off the ignore list, .

I think using an ignore list is silly, One day you may post for help with a problem and get given the answer you need but, you'll never see it. It's much safer to simply not read posts from those you consider trolls.

Why would you ignore them? Why not skip them?

Exactly.

 

[nashathedog]

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So I haven't got the time to read the entire thread. Is there any rumour on when Vega is going to come out? I'm thinking of getting an AMD Threadripper system and a Vega card would go along with it really nicely. If Vega isn't out by then I'd have to get a 1080Ti instead (which isn't a bad thing but if Vega is faster and works better with an AMD CPU that would obviously be my preference).

Hopefully the AMD graphics drivers will be better than they were the last time I used an AMD card.

We still don't know anything new really, Placeholder preordering had thw air-cooled version at roughly £1100 and the same chip with an all-in-one at just over £1600, If these are actual prices I think they're why RX Vega's been delayed by a month. AMD want to see how many people they can screw over before they release exactly the same chip at a price that's correct for the cards position in the gaming market. It may be a good business move but it sucks for us especially after the long wait we've had to endure for a high end replacement in the gaming market.

 

[Cromulent]

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We still don't know anything new really, Placeholder preordering had thw air-cooled version at roughly £1100 and the same chip with an all-in-one at just over £1600, If these are actual prices I think they're why RX Vega's been delayed by a month. AMD want to see how many people they can screw over before they release exactly the same chip at a price that's correct for the cards position in the gaming market. It may be a good business move but it sucks for us especially after the long wait we've had to endure for a high end replacement in the gaming market.

OK. Thanks for the info. I really want to get a high end card so I'm looking forward to hearing what AMD come up with, otherwise like I said, I'll be going with the Nvidia 1080Ti. I can wait for a couple of months though just to see how everything does but I do need a new computer reasonably soon.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

 

[Freddie1980]

So what do know about Vega? It's going to use between 300 and 375 watts of power, the FE version will cost over a grand, performance in games is around 1080 level and the "cheaper" RX version won't be available until July/August.

 

[prjwebb]

How much of that is based on official information though...?

 

[AllBodies]

So what do know about Vega? It's going to use between 300 and 375 watts of power, the FE version will cost over a grand, performance in games is around 1080 level and the "cheaper" RX version won't be available until July/August.

The only thing there officially confirmed is the price.

Even the board TDP is speculation based on the power-pin arrangement.