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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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So the FE Vega is simultaneously both a card aimed at professional, but doesn't come with professionally certified drivers and is benchmark against a card without professional drivers installed? It is also somehow a gaming card with gaming drivers, except gaming RX Vega will be faster with better gaming drivers, because FE drivers are non-certified professional drivers .... All the while it is benchmark against only 3 games without any performance figures given.

Despite using so professional drivers AMD compare the professional benchmarks against a TitanXP without pro drivers and then make quip about prices. Yet an $800 quadro will trade blows with the $1200-1800 Vega FE and come with certified drivers.

So what is AMD really aiming at? A professional who doesn't want certified professional dirvers and prefers to spend $1200-1800 on card as fast as an $800 with certified drivers, but they get to play games, albeit slower than the likely $600-700 Gaming Vega?


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D.P. said:
So the FE Vega is simultaneously both a card aimed at professional, but doesn't come with professionally certified drivers and is benchmark against a card without professional drivers installed? It is also somehow a gaming card with gaming drivers, except gaming RX Vega will be faster with better gaming drivers, because FE drivers are non-certified professional drivers .... All the while it is benchmark against only 3 games without any performance figures given.
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...you lost me at "So" :D
 
D.P. said:
Despite using so professional drivers AMD compare the professional benchmarks against a TitanXP without pro drivers and then make quip about prices. Yet an $800 quadro will trade blows with the $1200-1800 Vega FE and come with certified drivers.
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The £660 Radeon Pro WX 7100 is around 5-10% slower than the Frontier Edition as well.

FE is a jack of all trades, master of none. Only saving grace might be Machine Learning as it has 26 TFLOPS vs 24 TFLOPS of FP16 compared to the AMD Instinct MI25 card.
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
The £660 Radeon Pro WX 7100 is around 5-10% slower than the Frontier Edition as well.

FE is a jack of all trades, master of none. Only saving grace might be Machine Learning as it has 26 TFLOPS vs 24 TFLOPS of FP16 compared to the AMD Instinct MI25 card.
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It will likely improve with newer drivers considering they are having to write completely new drivers for Vega, since it is so different to previous GCN.
 
Mauller said:
It will likely improve with newer drivers considering they are having to write completely new drivers for Vega, since it is so different to previous GCN.
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Possibly, although I see the FE is a proper Prosumer card. It'll do it all, but won't excel at any of it since it's not specialised in those fields with specialised drivers.

Shame it's so expensive though. If the Air version was £800 and the AIO was £1100 it would look fantastic from what we've seen.
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
Possibly, although I see the FE is a proper Prosumer card. It'll do it all, but won't excel at any of it since it's not specialised in those fields with specialised drivers.

Shame it's so expensive though. If the Air version was £800 and the AIO was £1100 it would look fantastic from what we've seen.
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There is still supposed to be a Fire Pro WX version coming at a later date, the actual Pro version with ECC, certified pro drivers and full AMD business class support.
 
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Mauller said:
There is still supposed to be a Radeon Pro WX version coming at a later date, the actual Pro version with ECC, certified pro drivers and full AMD business class support.
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five8five said:
Isn't that going to be even more expensive than the FE?
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HBM2 natively supports ECC; but yes it's confirmed a proper Radeon Pro Vega card is coming end of Q3. Although expect it to cost a hella lot more.

https://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics...r-and-Liquid-Cooled-GPUs-Now-Available-Pre-Or
Before you pre-order, however, there’s one big caveat. Although AMD touts the card as ideal for “innovators, creators, and pioneers of the world,” the Radeon Vega Frontier Edition will lack application certification, a factor that is crucial to many who work with content creation software and something typically found in high-end professional GPUs like the Quadro and FirePro lines.

For those hoping for Vega-based professional cards sporting certification, the Vega Frontier Edition product page teases the launch of the Vega-powered Radeon Pro WX in Q3 2017.
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Also PCPer Pre-ordered BOTH Frontier Edition cards! Expect reviews!

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five8five said:
Isn't that going to be even more expensive than the FE?
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It should be...

I think the FE will run gaming drivers just fine. It's just that they're not ready yet, so AMD is telling people not to assume RX Vega performance based on what FE does. Most likely when the gaming drivers are ready and RX Vega is launched, FE will be able to run them and will get a nice FPS boost in most games.
 
akarypid said:
It should be...

I think the FE will run gaming drivers just fine. It's just that they're not ready yet, so AMD is telling people not to assume RX Vega performance based on what FE does. Most likely when the gaming drivers are ready and RX Vega is launched, FE will be able to run them and will get a nice FPS boost in most games.
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Would be nice if it came with a utility to switch driver on the fly, so you don't have to do a full reinstall.
 
FE seems to be aimed at devs that don't want to spend thousands on Quadro, but might be doing professional work, building stuff in Unreal Engine or the like and needs to test, might be programming for deep learning, etc. As above, it's a one-stop-shop that will actually work our a lot cheaper than buying different cards for different things. It's priced well below the Pro market, above the gaming market, it's capable and price positioned to be something new and disruptive.

It's a bit irrelevant for me as I am looking for a gaming card at a sensible price, but it will be interesting if AMD can convince people this is a viable option for work. I think they need to to a better job of explaining what the FE is for and what it's trying to address. It's not helped by the fact that they don't have their gaming cards out yet - which we also don't know about. AMD just don't seem to be able to communicate to their customers about what it is their products are for and what they do.
 
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Would be nice if it came with a utility to switch driver on the fly, so you don't have to do a full reinstall.
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Kinda like a dual BIOS, just a reboot away. That will be nice.

Although we'l probably get gaming benchmarks from PcPer, they ordered both Frontier Edition cards :D
 
Steampunk said:
FE seems to be aimed at devs that don't want to spend thousands on Quadro, but might be doing professional work, building stuff in Unreal Engine or the like and needs to test, might be programming for deep learning, etc. As above, it's a one-stop-shop that will actually work our a lot cheaper than buying different cards for different things. It's priced well below the Pro market, above the gaming market, it's capable and price positioned to be something new and disruptive.

It's a bit irrelevant for me as I am looking for a gaming card at a sensible price, but it will be interesting if AMD can convince people this is a viable option for work. I think they need to to a better job of explaining what the FE is for and what it's trying to address. It's not helped by the fact that they don't have their gaming cards out yet - which we also don't know about. AMD just don't seem to be able to communicate to their customers about what it is their products are for and what they do.
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But its not priced well below Professional cards. A Quadro P4000 is faster than the released benchmark figures, comes with actual certified drivers, and only costs $800. The Quadro cards can play games, but the drivers are not fully optimized for gamin. Without knowing the gaming performance of the FE Vega its hard to make a good comparison but the Q4000 would be plenty good enough for basic visualizing in UE4 engine for example. Heck, the Q2000 is not too far behind the Vega FE numbers for a mere $450.


There is really nothing disruptive about a $1200-1800 card that is slower than a $800 for professional use and doesn't even come with certified drivers and the professional support associated with them. Sure, someone should be able to do better gaming on it than a Q4000, but you could always buy a 1080ti for the price difference, ro choose where you want to compromise.

Disruptive would be is they had fully optimized and certified professional drivers that gave performance at the Q5000-6000 level and you got full speed gaming drivers. Then you are massively under cutting Nvidia, instead in its current form and price it is a lot more expensive for a lot less performance.
 
Gzero said:
There actually used to be visual differences between the two camps as they used different techniques to pump out textures etc.
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I remember but that's not what they implied it was about, AMD said they were showing the FE in games to these fella's due to people hearing rumours that Vega isn't going to compete with the competition and they wanted to show that it does.
 
nashathedog said:
I remember but that's not what they implied it was about, AMD said they were showing the FE in games to these fella's due to people hearing rumours that Vega isn't going to compete with the competition and they wanted to show that it does.
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The problem is, if the Vega was 75FPS and the Titan 85fps you woudln't really see the difference., and if performance is reversed they should just throw an FPS counter up there. I think most people know it will be competitive, it damn well better be, the uncertainty is whether Vega is 10% slow or 10% faster, whether it costs $550 or $750, or anything inbetween.
 
D.P. said:
The problem is, if the Vega was 75FPS and the Titan 85fps you woudln't really see the difference., and if performance is reversed they should just throw an FPS counter up there. I think most people know it will be competitive, it damn well better be, the uncertainty is whether Vega is 10% slow or 10% faster, whether it costs $550 or $750, or anything inbetween.
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And don't forget, even if the numbers did show AMD ahead then it's a fixed result with some API ****ery. Or the temp will be 1'C higher so it's a heat-monster and unusable. Or the power usage uses 5W more so it's going to bankrupt you on power. :kappa:
 
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