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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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It is vaguely reminiscent of the ryzen hype with amd using blender as a benchmark. Ryzen is a bit behind intel in gaming but its a drastic step up from where they were.
 
Vega mega drive.
July can't come soon enough. Least we get something to read tomorrow. If this Vega is already going up against Titan XP I expect RX Vega to be better or on par with 1080Ti.
That am more than happy with Ti is powerful and a massive upgrade over my 290.
 
Certainly is looking good so far..... but like I said, I'm not expecting great prices now with the mining craze and all that, I think we will have to be very lucky to see £400 for 1080 performance levels..... I'm expecting at least £450 for starting prices now.
 
nashathedog said:
That threw me a bit too :D

It kept giving me flashbacks of the Doctor in Smokey and the Bandit.


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That's the Doctor from Cannonball run. Brilliant films. Still watch the opening scene now and then to here the Lambo.
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
I'm not sure where the FE sits really. You could probably buy the Radeon RX Vega AND WX 7100 for the price of the Frontier Edition, or a little less.
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So that'd make the Rx Vega £500-600 roughly say and the performance in that is lumpy subject to development but maybe all the way to the titan ?
 
Gerard said:
It is vaguely reminiscent of the ryzen hype with amd using blender as a benchmark. Ryzen is a bit behind intel in gaming but its a drastic step up from where they were.
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AMD were competitive with Nvidia at the high end until they decided to forfeit and give the title squarely.to Nvidia, so.a bit of a shame if they can't come back to the same back park performance.


I'm just a little worried AMD have made no progress on efficiency. The water cooled FE really does seem to require 375w. The FiryX required 250w and is clocked 50% slower on a process that should required circa 50% more power clock for clock. That is a big step backwards. Even if we use the 300w figure this is still a step backwards: 20% more power to run 50% Higher clocks on a process that should reduce power about 50%. Now I know AMD had to add a lot of logic to help Vega achieve real world performance closer to the theoretical instead of just brute-force compute power,but if that has ended up.costing them.more power than it's saved it seems futile.


This just doesn't add up. The whole thing is super confusing. AMD have released benchmarks of FE Vega that is worse than than their own Pro series which can be purchased for nearly half the price. A card aimed for professional that performs worse than AMDs own professional card and doesn't come.with certified drivers and has to get benchmarked against a non-professional Nvidia card because it loosesto.quadro half it's price. And apparently AMD will release a real professional version of Vega with certified drivers later in the year, so FE is not aimed at professionals and it.must be a gaming card. Except AMD then state gaming Vega will be faster and better for gaming.


AMD must be trying to fail. This is just so bizzare.
 
D.P. said:
AMD were competitive with Nvidia at the high end until they decided to forfeit and give the title squarely.to Nvidia, so.a bit of a shame if they can't come back to the same back park performance.
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They didn't forfeit, they ran out of money because people didn't buy their cards.

Just wondering, which ryzen CPU do you own?
 
Gerard said:
It is vaguely reminiscent of the ryzen hype with amd using blender as a benchmark. Ryzen is a bit behind intel in gaming but its a drastic step up from where they were.
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Remains to be seen how things will change once Ryzen gets properly optimised in games. The Tomb Raider devs have done a couple of rounds of optimisation and made huge gains.

Clockspeed will always be an issue for Zen1 though.

Seeing as how 14LPP is targeted at 3 GHz, and 7nm-LP (leading performance) is targeted at 5 GHz, things could be pretty interesting with Zen2.
 
AllBodies said:
Seeing as how 14LPP is targeted at 3 GHz, and 7nm-LP (leading performance) is targeted at 5 GHz, things could be pretty interesting with Zen2.
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Problem is GF don't seem quite as competitive even using the same node as other foundries - AMD may need to go elsewhere to be truly competitive again :s
 
Rroff said:
Problem is GF don't seem quite as competitive even using the same node as other foundries - AMD may need to go elsewhere to be truly competitive again :s
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Yeah that's on the 14/16nm generation, but the 7nm generation looks to be quite a different story.

It's looking quite solid at this point that GloFo will actually have the best-of-the-best 7nm process. TSMC are starting with a low-power one because of Apple, and Samsung are slightly behind, and doing weird stuff by pursuing 7, 8, and 6nm simultaneously.

And Intel are just working on highly maturing their 10nm.
 
D.P. said:
I'm just a little worried AMD have made no progress on efficiency. The water cooled FE really does seem to require 375w. The FiryX required 250w and is clocked 50% slower on a process that should required circa 50% more power clock for clock. That is a big step backwards. Even if we use the 300w figure this is still a step backwards: 20% more power to run 50% Higher clocks on a process that should reduce power about 50%. Now I know AMD had to add a lot of logic to help Vega achieve real world performance closer to the theoretical instead of just brute-force compute power,but if that has ended up.costing them.more power than it's saved it seems futile.
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This remains to be seen. We need to wait until the card is out and benchmarked. Either way, I do believe that the complexity of the HBCC, the new geometry processor, the IF interconnect, etc can offset part of the process improvements. But they need to be made, as AMD's endgame is Navi. Vega only needs to be competitive in the same way the RX480 is vs the 1060 to "hold the fort".

Navi is the only architecture with the potential to be truly disruptive, but you don't build all that complexity in one go. Vega is a huge step closer towards an architecture that can combine multiple dies into one.

Rroff said:
Problem is GF don't seem quite as competitive even using the same node as other foundries - AMD may need to go elsewhere to be truly competitive again :s
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AllBodies said:
Yeah that's on the 14/16nm generation, but the 7nm generation looks to be quite a different story.

It's looking quite solid at this point that GloFo will actually have the best-of-the-best 7nm process. TSMC are starting with a low-power one because of Apple, and Samsung are slightly behind, and doing weird stuff by pursuing 7, 8, and 6nm simultaneously.

And Intel are just working on highly maturing their 10nm.
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Precisely. The 7nm process looks to be better than Intel's 10nm and TSMC's 7nm, so for the first time AMD will have a fab advantage. This is especially important for CPUs, but will obviously help on the GPU side as well. The 7nm process is the product of an alliance by IBM/Samsung/GloFo.
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
Also PCPer Pre-ordered BOTH Frontier Edition cards! Expect reviews!
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That's good to know. Independent reviews are what I'm interested in as naturally AMD are only trying to show the card in the best possible light with their benchmarks and choice of games etc.

As PCPer seem to be buying them I wonder when we'll get the actual review based on the shipping date of 3rd July?

Unfortunately, no, we were not provided with pre-release samples. But we're ordering both cards so we'll have them when they're released for testing and review.
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